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Elves of Tallarn

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Elves are said to be girly, elves are said to be gay. What does this popular opinion stem from? Hardly their lack of facial hair. Note: Not quite a new take, but something to think about.

The Elves of Tallarn carry a strange heritage. The sex ratio is a bit off: five males are born for every girl that sees the light of day. To those unfamiliar, this may not be apparent though, as the effeminate elven side is more pronounced here, resulting in many of the men having a female appearance.

Men are referred to as either Kian or Kiannae. Kian have a classically more masculine look, Kianne with a more feminine or androgenous look. True ladies are called Aroi. In outsider term, it is just He and She as “primitive other languages do not reflect the finer nuances of Elven Language.”

The society does strictly distiguish between male and female endeavours - males learn the crafts, farming, and the art of war; while the females are the carriers of culture, learning history and making up the vast majority of the priesthood, teaching and so on. Some Kiannae fill in minor positions of the female professions.

Art and magic are open to both, though a noticeable percentage of Kian lacks magical aptitude. Many Kiannae are magically or artistically apt.

The imbalance has led to peculiar courting customs: several Kian and Kiannae circling every lady showering her with praise and gifts. Many of the men who fail to find a female often end up in the arms of other men. These “other men” are usually Kiannae.

Note: It is socially “taboo” for two Kian (or two Kiannae) to get together.

Thus many of the males Kiannae have a very feminine look, attemping to attract companionship. Some of it is genetic. Some of it is appearance and grooming. Kiannae mostly dress androgenously. However they will, from time to time, dress in a distinctively female manner. As a point of fact, Kiannae are effectively “non competitive” in the quest for real female mates, as they are not as “manly” as Kian. That is okay. In point of fact, most Kiannae prefer men.

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The Elves do not speak of the divisions. It is a taboo subject, impolite to talk about.

Since Kian and Kiannae is a personal decision, it is “wrong” to say someone IS one of the other unless they have told you what they think they are.

Gender pronouns are assigned by how one is dressed. However, only in the most extreme cases will an Aroi be called He (usually requiring her to be in a non female role). 

Kiannae and Kian might be interested in members of other races, but Kiannae avoid that… as it could lead to complications (unless that member is appropriately orriented).

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Voted Michael Jotne Slayer
December 17, 2005, 19:18
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Something to think about indeed. A nice twist which touches upon something taboo in general.
Every gamer has gone trough the "Are the elves gay or what?" phase in their time, but nobody mentions it. Except perhaps, as a joke. About time the subject is taken seriously.
Voted Ria Hawk
April 16, 2006, 16:29
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I like the idea; historically speaking, it's only been recently that homosexuality has been considered taboo. And you present it in a way that's not going for shock or humor value. This leads to an interesting theory. You said that males learn the arts of war. I'm assuming this is a given for the Kian. What about the Kiannae? Could go with more history, here. The ancient Greek army encouraged members of the same unit to be lovers, because it was widely thought you'd fight harder to protect a member of your unit if you had a personal reason...
MoonHunter
April 16, 2006, 17:47
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Well, historically/ mythically, the Elven females fought side by side with their men. From the perspective of a Human observer, this could be a group of Kian and Kiannae (with the Kiannae dressing appropriate for the job, but perhaps with slightly feminine touches).
angryscotsman93
January 21, 2009, 22:50
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Yeah, the Theban Sacred Band, right mate? It's true that all of the men in that unit were homosexual lovers, but in the rest of Greece, I've never heard of homosexuality in the ranks being ENCOURAGED. Definitely not discouraged, but not encouraged.
angryscotsman93
January 21, 2009, 22:54
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Another question: is there any history of the Aroi falling in love with people from other races? That could also cause some chaos in the elven realm. With so few women about, the Kian and Kiannae would no doubt be outraged at the prospect of some barbarian outsider coming in and stealing what few maidens they have! That would be an interesting situation, probably involving Kian spec-ops units dropping into the honeymoon to kill the man and "rescue" the woman. Funny as hell!
MoonHunter
January 22, 2009, 13:21
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That is a perfect plot line. It could happen. (Unlikely given the teaching and pressure put upon Aroi, but who knows.) I would think he would drop dead of "seemingly perfectly innocent events that can not be traced back to the Elder of the Clan" long before it came to a wedding.

Still a lot of fun.
Voted TheSnakeRoselynAlexandra
April 17, 2006, 0:28
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I feel this was well thought out and also has a lot of today’s touches with it. Not only that but when you look at an elven man or woman you are always set to think which is which? In this format it is explained and also something that can be expanded upon. In all I like it.
MoonHunter
November 17, 2006, 11:56
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Updated: Polished some writing and added a touch more content.
Voted Wulfhere
March 9, 2007, 12:19
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An interesting take on elves... There's really no reason why the sexual practices of fantastic species should reflect human customs. Some of the Kiannae could be quite female in appearance, to the point of having traditionally female bone structure and features, such as breasts. To another race, they would be almost completely indistinguishable from females.

It also helps address the question of how elves regulate their numbers with their tremendous lifespans: If many of the elvish couples are not actually a male with a female, that would reduce reproduction to a fraction of what it otherwise could be.
MoonHunter
March 11, 2007, 0:11
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Well they don't see anything wrong with their slightly male appearance, so for them it works.

Thought they could possibly magic their way into a more feminine shape. Of course, to the Elves that would probably be as noticable as a breast augmentation and plastic surger to us in 21st century America.
Barbarian Horde
October 13, 2007, 17:50
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Like Ria Hawk said, the Greeks did have gay military units. The most famous (probably) is the sacred band of Thebes.

Also, I can't really see Kiannae having female bone structure because most of it's differences from male bone structure are there to facilitate childbirth. And I really don't want to think about Kiannae with breasts. It's disturbing.
MoonHunter
October 14, 2007, 0:33
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To be clear, it is not an "issue" for them. However, culturally, it is not something you openly talk about. It is a taboo, much like openly discussing penis sizes, or urinating in a public non bathroom place.

This view of things can make many people uncomfortable. And that is okay.

Just some FYI. About the pelvis, it is actually one of the 101 common human mutations for a male to have wider, but not as wide, pevlic angle (or females to have a slightly narrower one) And don't get me started on "man breasts". These mutations, which occur in the one per five thousand or so, could be more prevolent in their gene pool. Besides, given their slight "less manliness" they might be more likely to become Kiannae (which is a choice) because they know how unlikely it will be for them to achieve vs the more handsom suitors.

However, as I see it, most of their femme appearance is mostly cosmetic: carefully choosen clothes and actions. Some corsetting might be possible (google wasp waist). Given the prevolence in their culture, everything needed to "help" a kiannae will already be available.

Given the nature of things in Elven society, there may be minor magics in the "common spell book" that alter things some, or a simple glamour.
MoonHunter
October 14, 2007, 0:34
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Annoying double post... fixed
Voted Cheka Man
October 13, 2007, 18:30
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EchoMirage
December 31, 2007, 10:29
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It amuses me how fervent a response a post that is actually only about cosmetics gathered.

Also, thanks to Moon for saving some of my ancient writings and improving upon them. Thumbs up for Moon.
Voted manfred
January 1, 2008, 6:27
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This whole topic is perversely fascinating. Dfferent races/cultures will have different customs of course, but it makes for a great "What?!" moment.

Like when that Elven beauty a PC group is adventuring with, and all the men secretly lust after, is revealed to be man, or something like that...
EchoMirage
January 2, 2008, 16:38
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True - players usually react far less to a sentence like "she is part demon" than "she has a dick". Truth be said, the former would cause far more concern in me than the latter.
angryscotsman93
January 22, 2009, 20:36
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Meh. Why hold that sort of thing against someone? Especially if that someone's a hot chick? Eh?
EchoMirage
January 18, 2011, 8:11
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The 'dick' or the 'demon' part? :D
angryscotsman93
January 21, 2009, 22:48
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To be honest, this is pretty damn funny to me. It's about damn time someone explained while male elves look just like the women! Man, just imagine the sheer frustration that could be caused to some poor human ranger walking through the city...

"Ah, I dunno Steve, this place is pretty hard to find your way aroun- hey, wait, a local! Excuse me, ma'am?"

"What? I'm a guy, asshole."

"Oh, really? Sorry, sorry. Okay, miss, what about you? Could you give us directions?"

"Uh, NO. I'm also a man. Jeepers, you're rude."

"Well, at least you're nicer than the first guy..."

"You called HIM a girl? My honey?"

"Oh- oh gods, I think I just puked a little. Christ, is ANYONE around here what they appear to be!? YOU!!!"

"Yes?"

"WHAT THE HELLS ARE YOU!?"

"Oh, me? I'm a girl."

"Ugh, about time I found someone who looked like a chick and WAS one.... Uh, what's up with the fan-club?"

"Oh, them? They're just trying to figure out which one gets to sleep with me."

"Uh-huh. Well, have fun with that. I'm sick of this damn place. Screw you guys, I'm going someplace NORMAL."
MoonHunter
January 22, 2009, 13:27
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That was funny. Not going to happen that way, but funny.

The catch to this, is that they would roll their eyes or giggle slightly at your barbarian stupidity, but would continue on with the apparent gender. They don't talk about it, it would be like comparing the size of sexual organs... not something done in public.

So they would smooth it over quietly and laugh at you behind your back. After all, if you want to look feminine and attract men and the barbarians think you are female, you must be doing something right.

They might even correct you, telling you to use the correct pronouns or possessives in the langauge being used (Why does Elvish has three words for woman? Him, Her, Hir? aaarrrhhhhh).

It is not until you get used to Elves and get in one of their circle of friends that you are ever going to figure this out.
angryscotsman93
January 22, 2009, 19:32
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Heh. I've yet to ever see an elven submission where the elves WEREN'T smug, superiorist buggers who think that everyone who doesn't have Spock ears is a barbarian idiot. Still, I like the idea, since it explains quite a bit.
EchoMirage
April 28, 2009, 9:24
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Elves live a thousand years and use quite some of that time improving themselves and their surroundings - they actually have a reason to be superiorist :D Wouldn't you be smug with seven hundred years of practice under your belt in whatever area of expertise you chose? I would :)
angryscotsman93
April 30, 2009, 23:06
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Reminds me of the Eldar, those bugger's are much the same in attitude- but only worse. They'd sacrifice millions of human lives to save just a few Eldar, and see the younger races out there as inferior beings.

However, I like to think that a smack across the face with a few Space Marines or Imperial Guard regiments solve the problem quite nicely, if you catch my drift. :)
Voted Phaidros
February 1, 2014, 17:34
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