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Sagely Advice / Re: Khazad Collaboration Thread
« Last post by Scrasamax on January 04, 2017, 03:43:56 PM »
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By concrete, do you mean you do want to explore economic and biological motivations with the setting?

Concrete in the connotation of not working in abstracts, or magic. Dwarves are of the earth, not fire and air. Dwarves, like I said, are stoic. They are hands on ax handles, and hard liquor, cracked skin, dirty beards. They are Hemingway in a world of fantasy.

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What story do you want to tell with the dwarves, what ideas do you want us to explore aside for the utilitarian stoicism you have hit on? 

Don't have one, and don't have any, other than perhaps using the dwarves as an allegory for masculinity and the old ways (contrary to the more androgynous and progressive ways, not so much socially and all that, certainly none of the MRA bulls**t, but splitting firewood instead of turning up the heater, hunting animals for food and not sport, etc)

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You also mention a desire to develop dwarven military greatness, are their battles just defensive or do they do preemptive strikes?

Defensive. Extremely defensive. They represent a high investment unit, and cannot afford to throw numbers away in pointless conflicts. Heavy armor, powerful weapons, fortresses dug into mountains.

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Some dwarf eventually had to ask "what if I dig over there".  Developing the idea of dwarven expansion need not conflict with the dwarven ideals as you imagine them. We might imagine and implement in a write up a cultural engine for dwarven expansion, that differs from the types on dragon/human conquest you are inferring. Perhaps, the citizens of village will find that one morning a near by hill or sink hole is now hosting dwarven mining expedition.

Expansion is driven by population, humans and greenskins MUST expand because their lives are short and their children many. Conversely, those of long life have few children. The elves and the dwarves do not share the cultural and racial need for expansion. There are going to be new kingdoms founded, and new holds excavated, but these are carried out over a longer timeline. Dwarves dont do anything suddenly.

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But the haunted mines and kingdoms in decline must have been just mines and kingdoms on the upswing at some point. My inference  was that for those locations to have exsisted, dwarves had to travel to those locations. A reoccurring setting in the Lotr was abandoned dwarven mines. If we are doing dwarves on the cultural and economic upswing than there must be dwarves out there building the mines that would latter be abandoned. Consider this, perhaps Kazan could be the expansive dwarven culture that in a few thousand years will leave dark and haunted mines all over decathros. If these the are Tolkien dwarves (all be it with heavy metal athsetic and existing in thinly veiled 15th century Europe like Westeros) but in their cultural peak thus one might expect some expansion.

Correct, Kazan is in the end of the upswing, entering into a plateau period.

One of the main themes in LotR is that the Age of Man was beginning. The Elves were leaving, the dragons were slain (Smaug being the last), the dwarves were fading away, leaving Middle Earth to Man.

Expand them if you want.
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Sagely Advice / Re: Khazad Collaboration Thread
« Last post by axlerowes on January 04, 2017, 01:04:27 PM »


But the haunted mines and kingdoms in decline must have been just mines and kingdoms on the upswing at some point. My inference  was that for those locations to have exsisted, dwarves had to travel to those locations. A reoccurring setting in the Lotr was abandoned dwarven mines. If we are doing dwarves on the cultural and economic upswing than there must be dwarves out there building the mines that would latter be abandoned. Consider this, perhaps Kazan could be the expansive dwarven culture that in a few thousand years will leave dark and haunted mines all over decathros. If these the are Tolkien dwarves (all be it with heavy metal athsetic and existing in thinly veiled 15th century Europe like Westeros) but in their cultural peak thus one might expect some expansion.

Some dwarf eventually had to ask "what if I dig over there".  Developing the idea of dwarven expansion need not conflict with the dwarven ideals as you imagine them. We might imagine and implement in a write up a cultural engine for dwarven expansion, that differs from the types on dragon/human conquest you are inferring. Perhaps, the citizens of village will find that one morning a near by hill or sink hole is now hosting dwarven mining expedition.  There may only be room for one master on a mountain. You also mention a desire to develop dwarven military greatness, are their battles just defensive or do they do preemptive strikes?

What story do you want to tell with the dwarves, what ideas do you want us to explore aside for the utilitarian stoicism you have hit on? 

By concrete, do you mean you do want to explore economic and biological motivations with the setting?
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Sagely Advice / Re: Minons
« Last post by Aramax on January 04, 2017, 10:02:56 AM »
21 Terracotta Warriors, fierce and immune to mind effecting magic,very very hard to hurt, but one hp shatters.
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Sagely Advice / Re: Khazad Collaboration Thread
« Last post by Scrasamax on January 04, 2017, 09:08:07 AM »
Moria was Khazad Dum after it fell, and the Lonely Mountain was originally Erebor. They were dwarf kingdoms in decline. So no, there are no haunted dead dwarven holds, if there are, they are smaller, older holdsn not the great Kingdoms.

Dwarves are concrete, elves are mystical and abstract. Mystic dwarves are gnomes and such.

I'm not at all familiar with the rest of Decathros.

What parts of Decathros should Kazan borrow from/overlap with?
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Sagely Advice / Re: Khazad Collaboration Thread
« Last post by axlerowes on January 04, 2017, 08:41:27 AM »
So no seeking out a Morria or lonely mountain?

So if you don't want a mystical society, are you going to take into account biological, economic and environmental pressures or influences as shaping society? Are there parts of decathro you would like to overlap with or borrow from?
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Sagely Advice / Re: Khazad Collaboration Thread
« Last post by Scrasamax on January 04, 2017, 06:51:35 AM »
They should colonizing other areas, not digging deeper in to their mined but spreading out in search of other territories.

Tell me more

That's thinking like a Plainsdweller, always spreading out.

Monuments and fortresses are built up into the air and down into the ground. The surface is for hunting, farming, and war.

The earth is the home of the dwarf, his comfort is in stone. Not in fields or orchards.

Long of life and slow to reproduce, their plans are defensive and cautious in nature.

Only dragons can match a human's love of conquest.
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Sagely Advice / Re: Khazad Collaboration Thread
« Last post by axlerowes on January 03, 2017, 07:32:12 PM »
They should colonizing other areas, not digging deeper in to their mined but spreading out in search of other territories.

Tell me more
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Sagely Advice / Re: Khazad Collaboration Thread
« Last post by Scrasamax on January 03, 2017, 05:54:47 PM »
The dwarves would ask Dahkturin to bless their forges and their forge masks. They make things, they don't barter for things to be made for them.

As for mystical, I'm thinking more stoic and grounded. Dirty fingers wrapped around heavy hammers, forge masks that look like death masks, creating fortresses of their wealth. They are pretty heavy metal, like some Slayer/Megadeath/Pantera.

If dwarves from Middle Earth migrated to Westeros...
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Sagely Advice / Re: Khazad Collaboration Thread
« Last post by axlerowes on January 03, 2017, 05:17:04 PM »
With dahkturin being a superhuman enity that controls the magma beneath the "earth" and has access to the fire plane, maybe the dwarves trade with those interests, the help to maintain the forges for the Fire "elementals", in fact they could maintain the forges themselves

Perhaps these "classical" dwarves make tools, weapons and objects of desire for the gods, like dwarves did in the Nordic myths.  How far do you want to take these dwarves into the mystical direction?
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Sagely Advice / Re: Khazad Collaboration Thread
« Last post by Scrasamax on January 03, 2017, 03:54:45 PM »
I've imagined Kazan along the lines of the classic Dwarven kingdoms, like Erebor before Smaug, Khazad-Dum/Moria before the Balrog and the goblins, or Nogrod and Belegost from the Silmarillion, before those kingdoms were sacked by dragons and lost to the sea during the sundering of Beleriand.

In Tolkien's mythos, the dwarves were in decline, their kin scattered, their holds lost or broken, and their history turning into myths and legends. I want the Kazan dwarves to be strong and proud, their heathfires bright and their hosts of armored dwarves unassailable.

They are young, and strong.
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