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Therafter / Re: Chapter 3: Choices
« Last post by valadaar on Today at 01:28:53 PM »
Poking around the room, Anya found a blackened panel on the wall that had large slice in it - a fireaxe with a melted blade lay on the floor nearby, and the corpse beside it had a decided 'cooked' look to it.

Even now, a scent of ozone lingered.
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Citadel Tavern / Re: Female Characters and Trinity Syndrome
« Last post by Scrasamax on Today at 12:47:32 PM »
The Fast and Furious franchise has done a lot of positive work on the ethnic front without resorting to forced diversity. They remain somewhat light on the female side, with Gal Gadot (Israeli) and Michelle Rodriguez, but this isn't surprising in a high action testosterone car series. They have Latino, black, non-english speaking members, women, and the white guy, Paul Walker, is almost the token character.

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Citadel Tavern / Re: Female Characters and Trinity Syndrome
« Last post by Silveressa on Today at 12:23:21 PM »
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But Grunts ,marines or thugs, doesn't happen in the real world.

Having served in the Army National Guard alongside other women, and gone through basic training with an entire barracks full I can tell you with certainty female grunts int he military are a reality, and upper body strength has little to do with being able to be "a hero" or not, even in the more literal sense of being "tough/strong." Muscles don't have to be large to be strong, they can also be lean and well toned. More than just pure strength however, skill, along with the courage/will/dedication to fight is what makes a soldier succeed more than raw muscle. (There are more than a few lean/small framed female MMA competitors that will attest to this as well.)

The modern Israeli military is also comprised of a large number of female soldiers, many of which are in the typical "grunt" role, and hold their own alongside the men with equal capability as soldiers and many even serve in the Israeli special forces "Karakal" units along side male soldiers.

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Now my attitude also says that for the exact same reason ,we should replace all fighter pilots w/ women, they are lighter(more weapons and fuel carried) and they have better ability to withstand G-Forces.

I'll agree with the g force constraints, however the difference in body weight for male/female pilots is negligible (about 20-70lbs tops?) which in the over all fuel to weight ratio and ordinance payload weight restrictions isn't going to be even noticeable in any modern combat aircraft.

While the majority of female and male heroines in Hollywood being Caucasian is still the "norm "(Although some big names like Vin Diesel, Michelle Rodriguez and the Rock are proof this is changing) I feel this is largely due to the script writer/director whatnot also being Caucasian more than reflecting any actual reality of race when it comes to real world heroism and females/ other ethic groups.

Times are still changing on this front however, like you mentioned with Battle Star Galactica, the r-iminaged series had a much more diverse ethic crew than the old 70's/80's series did, and over time this multi racial representation is likely to grow more prominent as the newer generation comes of age and fill the roles of script writers and popular actors/actresses, and fewer of the older generation remain who clearly remember segregated toilets, drinking fountains and buses as a reality rather than read about it in a history book.

A hundred years from now people will (hopefully) be suitably skeptical of the idea that skin color and gender were ever a barrier to what a person could achieve in life.


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Fields of Challenge / Re: Citadel Quiz #2
« Last post by Aramax on Today at 11:32:18 AM »
Correct

Scras is pulling into a commanding lead

Last Batman questions, ok the following questions are worth 2 points each

In the classic 1966 Batman TV series:

A) One A list villain had his name changed for the series, this name change carried over into TV and comics from this point on, name that character, and for a further bonus point what was the characters original name

B) One of the villains for the series made the crossover into comics in the 80s,name that villain.
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Fields of Challenge / Re: Citadel Quiz #2
« Last post by Scrasamax on Today at 11:12:28 AM »
Harley Quinn
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Fields of Challenge / Re: Citadel Quiz #2
« Last post by Aramax on Today at 08:34:10 AM »
Ok, nobody liked the essay question,my bad, Not all ideas are great.

Scras wins and Val comes in second

AG, Moro and LS with 1 point
Val w 4
Scras w 5

What popular female character made the crossover from Batman the animated series to a successful run in the comics?
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OOC, Starters and Questions / Re: Prehistoric Pitch
« Last post by Moonlake on Yesterday at 05:32:24 PM »
Yep, pondering on my first post. I've written down the first paragraph but was half engaged on the Art quest that I'm collabing with the other Moon so delayed. Was originally aiming to finish yesterday but well... will definitely post today.
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Citadel Tavern / Re: Female Characters and Trinity Syndrome
« Last post by Aramax on Yesterday at 02:23:22 PM »
I'm gonna risk showing my age and my sexism here, but I have a very tuff time dealing w/ females in action movies without superpowers/magic/ or super science involvement. Ripley is my poster child for how a female action hero should be. Now I'm sure there are plenty of women that could kick my ass,I'm old.But in a world where women lack the upper body strength of a less than same weight male, I just don't buy it.Now my attitude also says that for the exact same reason ,we should replace all fighter pilots w/ women, they are lighter(more weapons and fuel carried) and they have better ability to withstand G-Forces. But Grunts ,marines or thugs, doesn't happen in the real world.Now the woman in Underworld,she was a vampire,cool.

As to most of the characters being white, as much as pc thinking is positive look at comics. The Black Panther is tied for first place in my book of superheros. The first 50 issues of the Christoper Priest run on his book was amazing, some of the best comics I have ever read. It found no audience.As much as I love the Panther he will always be a 'B' superhero, if amazing stories can't give him the popularity he deserves. It was this sort of thinking that lead to Will Smith being a secret service agent in the 1870s, you make engaging characters of color like Edward James Olmos on Battlestar Galactica or Wesley Snipes in the first Blade movie,I'm in.
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Citadel Tavern / Female Characters and Trinity Syndrome
« Last post by Scrasamax on Yesterday at 01:49:55 PM »
First question, what is Trinity Syndrome
https://thedissolve.com/features/exposition/618-were-losing-all-our-strong-female-characters-to-tr/

If you read the article linked, you now know what Trinity Syndrome is.

I have been thinking about this for a while, it's been simmering in the back of my mind.

There are two things that have stood out, Supporting Character Role, and Half-assed attempts.

The latter is the larger problem, it has been rather traditional for the characters in stories to be white men, but up until recently, most of Hollywood was populated with just white men, and they made the roles, and everything else. The Half-Assed Attempt here is that the story tellers and writers and producers are making an effort to make better female characters, they are making Valkas, Dahls, Trinitys, and so forth, but they are still cleaving to the Hollywood standard of making the main character white/male. There is no reason that prevents Hiccup in How to Train Your Dragon from being a girl, no reason for the One of the The Matrix to have been Trinity, with Neo being the supporting character. It's the half assed effort, and it's changing, but you can see the drag.

More evidence supporting this observation:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19549_5-old-timey-prejudices-that-still-show-up-in-every-movie.html

The former is an unfortunate aspect of writing and storytelling. It is up to the main character to overcome the foe, solve the problem, and save the day, make the internal realization, and otherwise be the focus of the story, they are the main character, after all. The supporting characters come in to play their roles relative to the main character and the story. The mentor, the specialist, the badass, the token character, etc, they are all SUPPORTING. If Obi-Wan told Luke to go home, and went on to Mos Eisley without him, there's no story because Obi-Wan is not the main character. This is normally not an issue, but it becomes one through the lens of social justice. With the half-assed effort, we are seeing more strong female characters, more strong ethnic characters, but they are in supporting roles, and as such they have to be unable to resolve the conflict of the story.

Thus, when the strong supporting female character fails, the shouts are raised. When the ethnic supporting character is killed by the baddie, shouts are raised. If either character had been a hollywood standard white guy, no one would care.

How do we address this?

Admit the role of the supporting character is not to overshadow the main character. They are mentors, rivals, allies, friends, etc, not dues ex machine to win the day.

And write better. Don't punk supporting characters, don't cut them off 'just because', and when they falter, fail, or perish, while it is functionally to serve the story, it must never appear that way. If Princess Thundera has been beating up baddies alone for a while, and the MC shows up, she shouldn't fail just because the MC has decided to show up. There is too much of that in the movies as it is. Another prospect is to not be afraid to make leading characters not functionally white men.

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Therafter / Re: Therafter Out of Game Discussion
« Last post by valadaar on Yesterday at 01:34:17 PM »
Yep :)

A good workshop will help (Advantage), and taking time or using good components will drop the DC. 
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