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Petition to Change Back Youtube
« on: November 12, 2013, 07:25:31 AM »
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2013, 08:38:26 AM »
What's a google? Do you eat it on toast?

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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2013, 11:45:34 AM »
What's a google? Do you eat it on toast?

You see that verb and you think of toast? Breakfast at your house must get awkward.

Seriously though, Youtube is important to me, it's where I go to unload. And this new format is just awful and broken. So I'm willing to at least try and do something about it. If anyone else agrees and are willing to give their support, great.
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2013, 12:30:03 PM »
(Sorry, dry humor tonight. ((get it...dry humor.....dry toast....baaahahahahhaha)). I amuse myself endlessly. My wife puts on headphones, you are stuck reading it.)

I am strictly a one way consumer of youtube. (did you know youtube and netflix are now 50% of internet traffic?) So I don't notice the changes except the buzz that the "comments are more relevant" now. But am not a consumer of comments, uploader of content or any of that. And I do have a G+ account so I am sold out.

However, I do NOT agree that you must convert your account to G+. That is exceedingly manipulative. They are winning the battle to own the interwebz because of moves like that.

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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2013, 04:24:15 PM »
It's not a terribly surprising move and I expect more like it. I remember reading a few months ago (don't remember the actual article) that basically said G+ is going to become the central point for Google's services (except search, maybe?) In fact there was some issue with Feedly changing their authentication from OAuth (normal Google) to G+. I understand they changed it back, but basically the future of Google for users is going to revolve around G+.

So buckle up, me hearties! G+ is plying the deeper waters of the interwebs and is out to plunder yer soul!
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2013, 07:23:27 AM »
When I switched from my iPhone to a Galaxy, I had to set up a google+ account to link it to.

That's the only reason I have a google+ account


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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2013, 07:30:12 AM »
One account to rule them all.

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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2013, 09:53:47 AM »
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2013, 09:54:20 AM »
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2013, 11:43:33 AM »
Ah, yes. Seen a lot of those. If that works it'll be the first time ever spam has been used to better the world.   :poet:
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2013, 10:46:11 AM »
How can google be evil when they can do this?

Google Search: Reunion


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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2013, 12:04:18 PM »
First of all, they offer a service which they didn't really invent, though they certainly do it better than most, if not all. It's just a happy coincidence that it could be used for something like that. But now imagine it being used on people who don't want to be found. What seems sweet in that movie could just as well have a darker side. Soon enough people'll be able to search for anyone on the planet and know what they're doing in that precise moment.  :shock:
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2013, 12:12:36 PM »
GOOGLE IS EVIL - SPREAD THE WORD


This doesn't make mer nervice ak awl.

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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2013, 12:30:04 PM »
I was rolling my eyes through most of this but the Darth Vader thing at the end cracked me up.
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2013, 01:03:47 PM »
The only petitions that have ever worked are as follows:

1. The petition to get Shadoweagle "back to the Citadel"
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2. The petition to get that stupid show, Arrested Development back on the air
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2013, 12:09:18 PM »
Those were solid petitions.


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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2013, 12:16:48 PM »
So does that mean we can start a petition to get some of the other wayward Strolenites back?
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2013, 12:18:20 PM »
I don't suppose there's 96,000 of them? That's how many signatures are "missing" apparently.
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 11:55:20 PM »
Green Eggs and Spam
Google Plus keeps bugging me,
"Use me, use me! I am free!"
I will not use you, Google Plus.
"Would you use me on a bus?
Would you use me on a train?
Would you use me on a plane?"
Not on a plane.
Not on a train.
Not on a bus.
I will not use you, Google Plus.
"You use my browser and my mail.
With Google Plus you could not fail!"
Gmail's fine, and Chrome is great
But Google Plus I kind of hate.
"Would you could you on a Nook?
Or instead of your Facebook?"
I would not could not on a Nook,
Nor instead of my Facebook.
I will not use you to find fun.
I will not use you to Plus One.
I will not use you on my Droid.
My Circles are all null and void.
I will not use you to share pics.
I will not use your other tricks.
Although I like Green Eggs and Ham,
I do not like you, cuz you're spam.
So please stop making such a fuss;
I will not use you, Google Plus!


(snagged from http://lifehacker.com/facebook-vs-google-your-best-arguments-1479394128)

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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2013, 06:20:49 AM »
That sounds awful!

Imagine if someone could find out everything about you in one two three. Just google you, and pop, there you are!

Pop there you are!
Poop there you are!

Where will this ever end? With people being able to know where other people are, and what they are doing?

Oh, you should get dressed by the way. It is afternoon already. And do eat more meals. Snacking isn't healthy, you know!

First of all, they offer a service which they didn't really invent, though they certainly do it better than most, if not all. It's just a happy coincidence that it could be used for something like that. But now imagine it being used on people who don't want to be found. What seems sweet in that movie could just as well have a darker side. Soon enough people'll be able to search for anyone on the planet and know what they're doing in that precise moment.  :shock:
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2013, 07:29:04 AM »
Since this interests me, I will tell you of the ongoing war on privacy.

Basically, this is the simplified version; your home computer has a globally unique ID, known as an IP address!

For a long time, a browser known as the TOR browser (The Onion Router Browser), has allowed ordinary people to hide that IP address, so as to stay hidden on the internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29

Many, like Gossamer, value their privacy, and do not want to broadcast it by showing their real IP.

In usual government rhethoric, it is claimed that only terrorists and criminals are in need of privacy, and unless you are either one of those, you should support ban of the TOR Browser. It is not easy to defend a piece of technology when they play the child pornography card, or when they accuse you of being a terrorist, but still: The original reason for the TOR network was for the freedom of speech in oppressed countries.

I do not doubt that in the future we will see more and more news coverage of the TOR browser, where the anchor presents it as a "tool used by child pornographers, extremists and perverts worldwide".

But really... It is an instrument of privacy. And a desire for privacy does NOT make you a criminal. Just like a gun, it CAN be used for crime, but by no means does it automatically mean that you WILL use it for crime.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22248692
http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/sopa-bans-tor-the-us-navys.html
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/

As you can see from the links, the Japanese government, SOPA and FBI are all organizations that have either hacked or attempted to ban the TOR network.

To that list you can add the Russian government and others.

http://vpncreative.net/russian-government-crack-tor-vpns/

As a matter of fact, even Youtube attempts hacking techniques to discover your real IP address when you are using TOR.

YES, the very new version of Youtube that you all dislike so much.
Well, at least Gossamer.

THEY dislike anonymity so much, they attempt to "access image data on a canvas" when you use TOR. Since this can be used to reveal your real IP, it tells us something about the scale of the war on privacy on the net.

http://postimg.org/image/wxto55mfl/


So, what is really going on here?


There are strong forces in this world trying to rid it of privacy. Google, Facebook, US, Russia, Japan. All of these are nations that have attacked the TOR network (even though the US Navy made it in the first place).

Why does corporations dislike privacy?
- They want to know who their users are. (Doh)
- Knowing their users enable targetted commercials
- Knowing their users enable them to ban those users if they are not in compliance with company policies (in "the petition to ban Youtube", users state that their accounts have been disabled (by Google) after they shared a link to the petition to revert youtube).

So, knowing your IP gives the corporation control over you. There is power in knowing names, as there is power in knowing IP addresses. Now you are vulnerable. Now you can be banned, and you can be force fed commercials that fit your online profile.

Why does the government dislike privacy?
- Surely the crime fighting and anti-terrorist effort both are valid arguments. The government has agencies devoted to hunting down these things, and for an anti-child pornograpy worker it must be frustrating that the TOR network exists. For Japanese police hunting a madman, it must be maddening to be met with a forest of anonymous proxy servers. For the NSA it must be utterly annoying to chase terrrorists posting on open forums using proxies such as TOR.

But could they have another agenda?

In the end it is always about control, power and money. Everything is. But digging into this will become speculation, and until 60 minutes comes up with an article that unveils this aspect of the government agenda, I will keep my opinion to myself.

Wrapping it all up:

I know who you are.
Google knows who you are.
Facebook knows who you are.
The US knows who you are.
Russia knows who you are.

And they want to keep it that way.

To earn money, to censor your voice if they must, to put you in jail if you belong there.
To put you under the earth if they feel that they must.

So SCREW Tor and other anoymizing networks. That is what they tell us.

If TOR had only been used to topple foreign regimes that are not aligned with the west, TOR would be hailed on the news as the voice of freedom.

By the way:
What difference is there between communist China and Google, if Google disables accounts that go against their wishes?

Also:
There ARE many bad people using TOR. For illicit financial gain, for terrorism, for hacking and other things.

But if the Internet wasn't changing into this anti-privacy beast it has suddenly become, there wouldn't be any need for TOR by us regular folks.
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2013, 09:31:17 AM »
That is why I launched my own communications satellite and hang out in the deepnet.

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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2013, 09:52:37 AM »
Fun thing is: you Probably could do that.
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2013, 11:14:17 AM »
and they continue alienating users...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25351123
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Re: Petition to Change Back Youtube
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2013, 03:16:20 PM »
Luckily, Google's got plans to change all this fuzz to the better...

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20131212-say-goodbye-to-online-passwords

Ooooor, at least to ensure that you use your eyeballs or fingerprint, or unique, wifi-enabled, always telling where you are, watch on your wrist!

HALLELUJAH! Praaaaise the Google! :p
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