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Ted:
I submit as a gamemaster and vote as a gamemaster. Everything I post is geared towards potentially being useful to someone for a game, and every vote I cast is against that fleeting question: Would I be willing to incorporate this submission into a game I've run?

In fact, Scrasamax can definitely feel proud that I liked his submission Romero Coultier enough to ask him for permission to use that Character in my CRTF campain.

Stat blocks are useful to me. They are often more concise than a lengthy physical description of a character, something that I absolutely hate doing. I've had many submissions under the thrall of Mathom because I can't be assed to put the Strolen Chrome on them to make them shiny and superfluously flowery.

Some days, I want to just throw down a stat block, summarize the information within for heathen non-believers who haven't switched to GURPS yet, and call it good.

Honestly, it is my personal feeling that voting a submission down due to in-game statistics is short-sighted and rude. The initial response from Cheka Man for this came just two days after OmegaDraco joined our ranks. Would you call having an established, respected member of the community saying "It's okay but too many stats you need to rewrite before I'll vote" a nice welcome to the community? Are we incapable of selectively skipping stat blocks and looking at the further merits?

There's a reason Agrivaine Dorset was submitted as a stub- I couldn't be assed to give him a long-ass spiel about his backstory, his motivations, his appearance, or to concoct amusing stories about him. Looking at his stat block, you can figure out pretty much everything but the backstory, and it's not terribly hard to do.

My feelings are that anything created for a specific game or system should be allowed to stand on their own with those details included. Each author should be allowed their own style and way of posting- I've long ago accepted that my vote totals will only average between 3-4.5 points because of my posting style- even if that style is different from what we expect.

EDIT: Fixing HTML and a typo

Shadoweagle:
Oh, yeah - one thing I forgot to mention which Ted's opinion reminded me of: While I don't post stats and the like myself, I will strongly advocate the right for others to do so, and believe voting something down because there are numbers in the post is wrong.

Don't get me wrong; if the post is nothing BUT numbers with no depth, then it may be worth a low vote. But if it is a plausible submission which happens to have statistical information which some people may find useful, I see no problem with that.

As it stands, if I see a post which is mainly stats and the like, I won't vote it low. In fact, I probably won't vote on it at all. This isn't me trying to be rude. It's simply me saying "I have no idea what these numbers mean, so I don't have a right to give you a rank for them. I will leave that up to the people who know what they are talking about!"

Murometz:
Where's Captain Penguin when you need him?

Here's the good news, folks. There is never more than 1 statnik on the site at any 1 time. Though they love their "numbers", statniks seem to hunt the internet savannah solo.

I remember a guy named Matare_Thunder. He posted Elric Saga/Melnibone subs with boat-loads of stats. MoonHunter and Ria demolished him for weeks, until he finally gave up and left the site for good. I guess we have evolved from that era, and now we simply prod the statnik gently, ever-vigilant not to offend :P

Full Disclosure:

1. I hate seeing stats on Strolens, but at the same time, truth be told, they don't bother me when I see them. Does that make any sense?
2. I Love Ted. He knows that.

MysticMoon:
I take points off for subs with stats simply because they break the spell. Doubly so if the stat is supposed to convey something critical to me. I want to be pulled into the sub and fully marinade my brain in its juices. Not get the crunchy bits stuck in my teeth. I moved to rules-lite systems to get away from stats and to let the story and characters drive things.

Dozus:

--- Quote from: Ted on January 16, 2013, 04:54:48 PM ---Honestly, it is my personal feeling that voting a submission down due to in-game statistics is short-sighted and rude. The initial response from Cheka Man for this came just two days after OmegaDraco joined our ranks. Would you call having an established, respected member of the community saying "It's okay but too many stats you need to rewrite before I'll vote" a nice welcome to the community? Are we incapable of selectively skipping stat blocks and looking at the further merits?
--- End quote ---

I fully agree with you here. I couldn't vote a sub low because of something in addition to its story. You have a really rad item with a great story and you want to throw down some d20 stats to top it off? I'm all about it. I avoid down-voting as a rule, particularly for "principled stances" like "Stats are icky".

By the same stroke, if a sub was just stats, I'd ask for more details and background. I appreciate your Dorset character sheet being submitted as a stub. If you'd posted it as a sub, I wouldn't have down-voted, but I certainly would have asked for meat on the bones. I would have to disagree with you here:

--- Quote from: Ted on January 16, 2013, 04:54:48 PM ---I couldn't be assed to give him a long-ass spiel about his backstory, his motivations, his appearance, or to concoct amusing stories about him. Looking at his stat block, you can figure out pretty much everything but the backstory, and it's not terribly hard to do.
--- End quote ---

I live for the long-ass spiel about backstories, and looking through his sheet, all I can deduce is he's an experienced soldier of some sort. And if posts were system-specific with just stat blocks to fill in the details, I'd be thoroughly lost. A good story in the vernacular is what I look for in subs; any stats attached I mostly consider technical errata to support the interesting bits.

Summa: Despite what my first post in this thread might suggest, I have nothing against stats. If you're down-voting at the sight of number, I think you a reactionary and ask you to stop. But stats-only subs are something I would have little interest in viewing or voting on.

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