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Re: Drunken Writer's Guild
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2014, 01:39:36 AM »
Continued: Round 3 is here, bourbon and pepsi.

There are some things about Wonder Woman that I don't like.

She was basically written by a soft core bondage aficionado. She is 'functionally' a super patriotic dominatrix dialed down for comic books. Add in that fact that most of her adversaries were other women (thank the Comic Code Authority for that, because men hitting women in comics is wrong, even if they are super powered amazons and said punches are ineffective as sissy swatting) it kinda meanders over into Introduction to Bondage/Fetish.

And really, @!#$ that man. That's insulting.

Super Heroes are about being larger than life, tapping into archetypal energies and exploding outwards from there, drawing us into their power.

Superman is God, almighty, all powerful, but ultimately compassionate and caring. We are drawn to his ability to lift heavy things, and ignore sissy bullets, and his self sacrifice creates allegories to Jesus (and Optimus Prime)

Batman is a brooding loner with all the toys and the vendetta to kick ass, beat the crap out of the BEST rogue's gallery of villains, and he was one of the first characters that we experience Death through. Batman becomes Batman because his parents are murdered. Batman is Hades, he is the fear of death, and the power to overcome the fear of death.

Flash is the fastest man in the world, FASTEST. MAN. IN. THE. MOTHER@!#$INT. WORLD. He is the jokester, the prankster, he is Hermes.

Green Lantern = Courage, creativity, imagination, willpower, etc. Kick Ass man, kick ass.

Spider Man is a loser. He has no money, no base, no cool gadgets, he barely gets the girl, but you know what, even being an effing loser, he still gets out there, kicks ass, is part of the avengers, and all that even if he has a prepaid T-Mobile phone and still lives with his aunt. Spider Man is what most of us would be if we got super powers by ACCIDENT.

Jumping over to Marvel:

Hulk - is there a better representation of the enraged Id? SMASH, DESTROY, Hulk is who we all want to be when saturday work is scheduled, or when we are cut off in traffic, or the person in front of us gets the last item for sale.

Thor has great hair. Eff you Thor.

Captain America is in the same category as Superman and Optimus Prime. Cap also picks up Mjolner in the Avengers and hands it to Thor. It's easily overlooked. Mjolner can only be lifted by the pure of heart and the worthy. Suck it Thor.

X-Men are a look into the Civil Rights Movement and Race Relations without you know, dealing too much with actual race.

lots more can be written here but IDGAF

And we pick Wonder Woman up again.

Not only is Wonder Woman a Blank, she is a Token Female Character. A brunette Barbie in a star-spangled unitard. With a minor in bondage. Nothing Greek/Amazon about that.


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Re: Drunken Writer's Guild
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2014, 02:06:55 AM »
What do we need to do to Fix Wonder Woman.

Backstory and Motivation: Wonder Woman needs to come from something beyond being a magical warrior princess. What is her call to adventure, who has decided to mess with something important to her to the point that she will put on a suitable superhero costume to kick their ass for it?

Adversary: Wonder Woman needs both a primary antagonist, and a rogue's gallery. Batman has the Joker, Superman has Lex Luthor, etc. WW needs someone who is her antithesis, and equal. Who knows her weaknesses, who can take her to the edge, who can make her lose her cool and lash out instinctually. This is important because 'Male Chauvinism', 'Sexism', and 'Sexual Discrimination' are not very good villains. They don't look good in costumes and people aren't going to find a way to relate to them.

Teamwork: Wonder Woman needs to LEAD a small group to their consensual goal and ultimate victory.

Things to Avoid:

Drawing back to Hera. In Greek Mythology Hera was basically the nagging &^%$@y wife who never really busted her husband's gonads for sleeping around on her, she just turned his flings into animals, which is just weird. In popular culture, I find it difficult to think of a positive association for Hera. She is basically all the worst attributes commonly associated with women rolled into one lump (nagging, hostile, frigid, etc) and the good stuff gets handed off to Aphrodite, Athena, Gaia, etc.

Sex: If Samus Aran can wear space marine armor through 99.9% of Metroid, Wonder Woman doesn't have to fight her enemy in a onesie bathing suit for the entirety of her feature. A female character can appear in a movie poster without sticking her ass out, or showing a large amount of cleavage. Faora-Ul did a pretty decent job of this in Man of Steel.

Magic: When 'magic' or 'magick' appear in a superhero comic, someone needs to be hit in the face, because magic is lazy shorthand.

Potential ideas and their pros and cons

Alien (Thor Approach/Man of Steel vs Batman Approach) -  Wonder Woman is not human, or not entirely human, as an alien/alien hybrid she is able to superhero. This works from a thematic perspective, but it moves WW away from the average human female. This can be okay, but you really need to tie into the Superman Dilemma, ala the greater your power, the greater the consequences of your actions become.

Accident/Experiment (Hulk/Spider-Man) - WW is the product of a complete and total cock up, no one expected her to become a superhero after surviving 'the accident'. This is middle of the road meh. Hulk works through an application of psychology/primal anger, Spider Man reaches our angsty inner teen. What does Accidental Wonder Woman do?   

Self-Made Hero (Cap, Batman, Ironman) - super serum and super patriotism, kung fu and serious personal issues, genius and money, the self made hero is a badass of their own design, calm cool collected and well this is my category that I really like because I am a bit of a humanist and kinda like superheroes who create themselves rather than stumble into the arena (what would have happened if the radioactive spider bit Peter Parker's classmate Carter Cranston?) or are aliens (Of course I can fly, shoot lasers out my ass and make time change by moving really fast, all Superheroids from Superherion can do that) blah blah blah. Ripley and Sarah Conner are in this category too.



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Re: Drunken Writer's Guild
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2014, 02:37:45 AM »
The six foes every superhero needs:

The Rival - kinda like the SH, but opposite moral polarity or alternate perspective. The Rival is similar in build characteristic to the SH, but doesnt share their goals, ideals, or value set. Example: Catwoman to Batman, she has gadgets, and is a thief versus his detective.

The Titan - Bigger, smarter, stronger, and nigh undefeatable, the Titan has to be fought with everything the SH has. Batman has Bane, Superman has Darkseid, The X-Men have Magneto.

The Genius - Smarter, much smarter, well prepared and well equipped. Lex Luthor is a ruthless human being who routinely gives alien superbeing Superman a run for his money. With no superpowers of his own. Also that space genie mr miztelplexiglass or whatever his name was who could only be defeated by making him say his own name backwards.

The Enemy who Can't Be Punched Into Submission - The enemy has whatever reason that prevents the SH from just beating the ever loving hell out of them. Instead, the fight has be to be by proxy, or through hidden means. Batman can't just bust the bejesus out of Two-Face because Harvey Dent is the man who beat crime in Gotham.

The Brick - A punching bag who can take everything the SH can throw at the them and keep coming. Superman has Bizarro, the zombies from zombie movies, Juggernaut, Omega Red, Colossus, Abomination, General Zod. The Brick and the Titan can be similar, but the Brick is not going to be smarter than the SH.

Anti-thesis - The SH has a foe who is everything that stand against. The Joker is everything that Batman is not, chaos versus order, embracing madness vs chasing sanity, never kill vs s**t happens.

The Mirror - Like the Rival, the Mirror is everything the SH is, but then add some to it. Better equipped, better prepared, better trained, better armed. The SH has to prevail either through trickery, intelligence, knowing an achillies heel, etc. Iron Monger is superior to Iron Man in every way except one, good thing Tony took care of the ice problem. This is similar to the rivalry between Loki and Thor after Loki is made king, or the fight between the Red Skull and Cap.


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Re: Drunken Writer's Guild
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2014, 02:50:55 AM »
The six foes every superhero needs:

The Rival - kinda like the SH, but opposite moral polarity or alternate perspective. The Rival is similar in build characteristic to the SH, but doesnt share their goals, ideals, or value set. Example: Catwoman to Batman, she has gadgets, and is a thief versus his detective.

Male Expy of Wonder Woman, Cap'n America if he was from the Jersey Shore and the Super Serum was 30% Axe Body Spray and 30% Spray Tan

The Titan - Bigger, smarter, stronger, and nigh undefeatable, the Titan has to be fought with everything the SH has. Batman has Bane, Superman has Darkseid, The X-Men have Magneto.

Good place for a social tie in, a powerful dominant Father figure that wants WW to be a good little girl, representing the role that society wants women to play.

The Genius - Smarter, much smarter, well prepared and well equipped. Lex Luthor is a ruthless human being who routinely gives alien superbeing Superman a run for his money. With no superpowers of his own. Also that space genie mr miztelplexiglass or whatever his name was who could only be defeated by making him say his own name backwards.

The emotionally abusive manipulative villain, Barney Stinson from How I Met Your Mother if he had super powers. Suit Up!

The Enemy who Can't Be Punched Into Submission - The enemy has whatever reason that prevents the SH from just beating the ever loving hell out of them. Instead, the fight has be to be by proxy, or through hidden means. Batman can't just bust the bejesus out of Two-Face because Harvey Dent is the man who beat crime in Gotham.

Someone who does work towards a common goal, such as a on outspoken feminine radicalist who goes a bit too far. WW couldn't beat the crap out of another woman who is motivated to crime because of male oppression and sexual abuse, even if she is putting lives in danger, cause collateral damage, and putting the city in danger

The Brick - A punching bag who can take everything the SH can throw at the them and keep coming. Superman has Bizarro, the zombies from zombie movies, Juggernaut, Omega Red, Colossus, Abomination, General Zod. The Brick and the Titan can be similar, but the Brick is not going to be smarter than the SH.

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Anti-thesis - The SH has a foe who is everything that stand against. The Joker is everything that Batman is not, chaos versus order, embracing madness vs chasing sanity, never kill vs s**t happens.

a misogynistic hyper-conservative neo-religious super villain, who happens to be a woman.

The Mirror - Like the Rival, the Mirror is everything the SH is, but then add some to it. Better equipped, better prepared, better trained, better armed. The SH has to prevail either through trickery, intelligence, knowing an achillies heel, etc. Iron Monger is superior to Iron Man in every way except one, good thing Tony took care of the ice problem. This is similar to the rivalry between Loki and Thor after Loki is made king, or the fight between the Red Skull and Cap.

Rival Amazon of greater experience and rank who goes darkside ala Sinestro


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Re: Drunken Writer's Guild
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2014, 01:18:57 AM »
Doing some research on something I'm writing.

Who would be a d**ned good rival for Wonder Woman? Effing Lady Death.

Princess Diana cares for people, and America, and truth and justice... Lady Death just wants to kill every living human being on the planet so that she finish getting her revenge.

Life versus Death.

Cold, emotionless, the bringer of death, the ender of all life. Lady Death is the anti-thesis of all that is female. Plus she could probably hire Dethklok as her musical back up. And again, the Greek legacy is democracy, and creating the light of Western culture, social equality, truth, justice and all that, where the Vikings (Apparently LD is a Swede according to Wiki) are more known for raping, murder, plunder, burning villages, killing priests, and abducting women.


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