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Riddles
« on: September 28, 2006, 07:51:21 AM »
Alright, so I was in the Flashchat with Roack and Dozus last night, and I went upstairs to play with my puppy, then promptly fell asleep with the chat open. However, it was amazingly still open when I came down this morning, and so I checked the log, and encountered something nifty. A riddle! I love the buggers, so we could use this thread to post any we like or can find. If nothing else, someone might snag one to use in an adventure.

So, here's my starter, kudos of Dozus.

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[Dozus] 10:54 pm: Wanna hear a riddle?
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[Dozus] 10:55 pm: You are visiting a strange country in which there are just 2 kinds of people: Truthtellers & Liars. Truthtellers ALWAYS tell the truth, & Liars ALWAYS lie.
[Dozus] 10:55 pm: You hail the 1st 2 people you meet and say, "Are you truthtellesr or liars?" The 1st person mumbles something you can't hear. The 2nd says, "He says he's a truthteller & so am I".
[Dozus] 10:55 pm: Is the 2nd person a Liar or a Truthteller?

A simple logic puzzle. I always loved those two, but they're perhaps the easiest to figure out. Trial and error should give you the answer.

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Here's the logic: If a Liar is asked which type he is, he'll have to lie and say he's a truthteller. If a truthteller is asked the same, he'll reply truthfully that he's a truthteller. Neither will admit to being a liar. So, applying that to our first man, he says that he's a truthteller (which could make him either a truthteller or a liar), but he also says that the other told him he was a truthteller. Assuming the first man is a truthteller, then the other man must be a truthteller (because truthtellers must always speak the truth). However, if the first man is a liar, then the second man didn't tell him that he was a truthteller. A contradiction! Both types have to say that they're a truthteller, yet if the first man is a liar, this isn't true. Therefore, the first man must be a truthteller, and the second must be a truthteller.
P(A|B) = P(B|A)*P(A)/P(B)

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Re: Riddles
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2006, 08:22:42 AM »
Actually, the 1st man could be a liar.  The 2nd man didn't say "he is a truthteller," he said "He says he's a truthteller."  Since neither man can admit to being a liar, it must be assumed that Man 1 said he is a truthteller.  If Man 2 is a liar, he would have to say "He says he is a liar and I am a truthteller."  But since he said "He says he is a truthteller," then Man 2 must be telling the truth and only truthtellers can tell the truth.  So Man 2 is a truthteller; and Man 1 says he's a truthteller, though it really doesn't matter if he's telling the truth or not.

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Re: Riddles
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2006, 09:05:26 AM »
Here you go, Chaos: Quite some time ago when I first started in the citadel, I had a fondness for riddles, and I started a little competition. It's dwindled away now, of course, but there's still a fair few riddles in there. Answers will generally be a post or two below the riddle, so don't scroll down too far if you want to figure them out yourself!

http://www.strolen.com/guild/index.php/topic,1185.0.html

And now that I read that thread again, I can see that I never Put an answer to the last riddle of mine, and Ria was right and won the riddle game with 10 points! Clearly she was the riddle-master of 2004! :p

Anyway, that game is over for me, but you can start it up again if you want :p
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2006, 07:01:41 PM »
How can you make 30 cents out of two coins and one of them not be a nickel?

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Re: Riddles
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2006, 07:08:05 PM »
Umm..Can the other coin be a nickel? :P
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2006, 08:06:29 PM »
You conveted them from a foreign currency when the conversion rates were just right.
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2006, 10:16:07 PM »
Umm..Can the other coin be a nickel? :P
Yup, you got it. :wink:  If one's a nickel and one's a quarter, then one of them is not a nickel.

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Re: Riddles
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2006, 01:48:24 AM »
I have a bed but do not sleep, i have a mouth yet do not speak...


Thats really easy  :D
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2006, 02:07:09 AM »
A river
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2006, 12:12:51 PM »
Correct
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2006, 12:55:56 PM »
What is black and white and red all over?

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Re: Riddles
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2006, 01:55:43 PM »
Your GM after an all night gaming session where you finally beat his epicly crafted campaign boss.
P(A|B) = P(B|A)*P(A)/P(B)

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Re: Riddles
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2006, 07:46:22 PM »
A sunburned zebra

Spelled differently, a newspaper.
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2008, 11:30:13 PM »
Eight legs, eight arms, four mouths to cry, accepting of no lullaby.
North, south, east and west, in all directions crawls the pest.
All directions, all at once
so full of promise, but right now dunce.

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Re: Riddles
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 12:14:47 AM »
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (as in, your four babies)
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2008, 12:17:54 AM »
ding, ding, ding, ding  :up:
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2008, 07:47:50 AM »
ROTFL!!!

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Re: Riddles
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2008, 02:24:47 PM »
Four kiddos and a career. Man, you must be stretched thinner than a sheet.
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2008, 05:46:12 PM »
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[Dozus] 10:54 pm: Wanna hear a riddle?
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[Dozus] 10:55 pm: You are visiting a strange country in which there are just 2 kinds of people: Truthtellers & Liars. Truthtellers ALWAYS tell the truth, & Liars ALWAYS lie.
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[Dozus] 10:55 pm: Is the 2nd person a Liar or a Truthteller?

Stab or shoot one of them.  As he lies on the ground, screaming in agony, crying, and saying/asking, "You shot me! why did you shoot me?" you will know the other person is the Liar.
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2008, 10:30:19 PM »
Not quite a riddle.

If you can answer this correctly, you are only 9 more right answers away from getting a position as a Quantitative Modeler/Analyst, with a prestigious electronic brokerage firm, for a tidy rate of $125/hour.

A brick weighs a pound plus 1/2 a brick. How much does the brick weigh?


The correct answer will force me to post Question #2 (of 9)
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2008, 10:44:28 PM »
2 pounds...

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Re: Riddles
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2008, 07:12:15 AM »
If it has dirt in it, you've not finished digging the hole!
   
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2008, 10:52:48 AM »
Not until after you bury the survivors.
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2008, 11:39:47 AM »
Question #2 on Quant Analyst test

2. Could a stack of pennies as high as the C.N. Tower fit into a 2x2x2 foot box? (A penny has a radius of 3/8 inch, and the C.N. Tower is 1900 feet high)

a correct answer post will lead to Question #3
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Re: Riddles
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2008, 12:01:48 PM »
It must take some mad skills to stack pennies on their sides


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