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Offline Akuma

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Hi there a new evil has arrived
« on: October 30, 2004, 04:48:50 PM »
HI all I am akuma and I heard about this site through a friend of mine.
I mainly play D&D and mostly as a DM. I have come here to just have fun with a character that I created awhile ago. As you can see from the title of this topic I will be playing a "bad guy".
for those of you who play a lot of D&D and want a physical description my guy looks like a half-fiend thri'keen.
he runs a combo of magic and staight up fighting but you'll all see him soon.

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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2004, 05:22:56 PM »
Might I recomend the Freeform Roleplaying Section for "Playing" your Character.

Oh And welcome to the Citadel
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2004, 06:26:18 PM »
Hola, senor!
Como estas?! Bien?!

Wassa' "thri-keen"?
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2004, 12:00:40 PM »
Thri-Kreen = giant praying mantis, kinda like Zorak from Space Ghost Coast to Coast, but with less humanoid features (Compound eyes, lacerating arms, etc)

I might need to go look up the number for the Orkin man, just in case.


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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2004, 04:18:17 PM »
No use the Orkin man  cannot help you at all. Besides I can fly much higher than that pesky little man can shoot his poison.

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2004, 04:52:56 PM »
Ah, I see.
Sounds munchkin.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2004, 07:07:00 AM »
Thats okay, the Orkin man can use bait traps full of thri-kreen poison disguised as piles of loot and magic items. Gets thoe munchies every time.


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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2004, 10:04:28 PM »
I am not after mere treasure or magic items but soul of other adventurers. I doubt that the orkin man would go near a pile of souls let alone stock them.

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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2004, 10:06:45 PM »
Hello
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2004, 10:26:31 PM »
hello sentinel* what brings you here? Are you here to stop my evil plans or help them? can I trust you? Am I asking too many questions? How about now? Do you want me to stop?

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2004, 10:30:46 PM »
You can call me Sen. Fate may bring me here. No I'm not here to stop you or am I heer to help you. I suggest you don't trust me. No, you are not. No, not now. Keep going if you want
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2004, 10:02:58 AM »
Greetings and Salutations Akuma.

I highly recommend the freeform section. A thri'keen..hmm. ::looks around:: Ok..who hid my giant fly swatter?

Hey I have a question. Why does everyone consider collectiong souls a bad thing?
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2004, 05:20:01 PM »
Greetings Akuma!

Asks Jinx:
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Why does everyone consider collectiong souls a bad thing?


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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2004, 06:40:51 PM »
I don't think he's a bad thing, really don't care. Matters on the alignment of the person who's doing the collecting of the souls
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2004, 06:52:24 PM »
Well, the problem with collecting souls is that you generally have to kill the person whos souls you want to harvest. and making matters worse, collecting souls also generally requires that you bind them into some sort of ethereal slavery, which again, tends to have some ugly connotations. you know the whole killing and enslaving souls thing tends to put a bad spin on it.

Just thought that might help a little bit

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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2004, 06:56:40 PM »
Very bad spin. Though if the person is good collecting evil souls, it would be allowable.
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2004, 07:07:20 AM »
Yes, but even if the person is "good" collecting "evil" souls he is still murdering (or executing if you prefere) them and enslaving their souls. Best case scenario: they come out looking like some kind of justice man fanatic going around and stealing bad guys souls. I would definately put that under cruel and unusual punishment, and it seems a bit harsh for all but the most outrageous evils. So even as a good guy, there are still some serious morality issues to be worked out.

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2004, 06:30:50 PM »
Yea. hmm. I guess it would be wrong no matter who would be doing it...

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2004, 07:47:58 AM »
So, soul collecting is bad. Hmmm.

Ok, now what if the one collecting the souls was a deity. Would it still be considered bad?

I mean, we have established that the collector must kill and enslave said souls. But if the souls collected were those of followers, would it still be bad?

Or does it all depend on different perspectives?

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2004, 07:57:25 AM »
Very Good question ScorpionJinx. I personally don't that that the deity would be evil in this case, at least not for that reason alone. But I am very curious to see what Nobody has to say.

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2004, 10:31:49 AM »
Well, of course that does change things quite a bit. Deities tend to be exempt from morale judgements on the basis that they are gods.

 so, on one hand, if the deity is just plain collecting souls, then you are pretty much describing Death. Not exactly the most well liked character around. People see his role as necessary and important, but nobody in their right mind has anything but a grudging respect for him.

On the other hand, if you are talking about people sacrificing their souls to this god, then you are almost always talking about some sort of occult following. Satan or anything worse. Keep in mind that there are only two reasons why anybody would give up their souls willingly.

One, to temporary gain power. In otherwords, witch-craft. Not only is this very dangerous and shortsighted, but only those obsessed with power would ever join up. This means that you have a cult where every person is obsessed with power to a very unhealthy extent. Hence the reason why witchcraft is...um...how do you say, frowned upon.

The second reason for sacrificing your soul is to appease the god so that it will not bring its wrath upon you. That whole wrath thing also has bad connotations. There may not be any morale accountability, but again, all you are left with is a grudging respect for the fact that the God has the power to destroy you all. He is a feared god, not a loved one.

So, in otherwords, YES, it is still bad. There is really no way to avoid the fact that collecting souls is a bad thing.

C'mon Akuma, I expected more from you.


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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2004, 11:16:17 AM »
Sorry Jack but I have to disagree with you on this one. There is one way that collecting souls is a good thing. What if you die, of your own accord, and there is some supernatural force that "collects your soul" only to take it to its final resting place.  Such as the Valkyries in the Norse tradition, they collect the slain warriors to Valhalla were they sit in the presence of Odin and are well cared for awaiting the final battle( as they are warrior I assume that one last peice of action is something they want not something that they feel obligated to do.  I mention this only to say that the way you have worded your argument is off, I would say something like Any who collect souls to keep them for themselves is evil, but those that collect the souls of the recently departed, that were killed by earthly means, to take them to a place of rest and/or preperation cannot be seen as evil.

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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2004, 01:31:07 PM »
Thank you Adel. That is what I was waiting for someone to say.

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And technically speaking, once the soul is sent on it's merry way, wether heaven, hell, purgatory or wherever, it is there with other souls...in a large "collection"

Either way it depends on perspective and small details.
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2004, 03:09:17 PM »
Yes but if they are keeping a collection of souls, then that means that those sould are not free to leave as they wish. I do not know if you are allowed to leave Vallhala, simply because everybody would want to stay there anyway, but if somebody wanted to leave valhalla to be a lost soul (for whatever reason) it is still a bad thing for them to be restricted to that place.

However, I was only arguing on a technicallity for that one. For al intensive purposes you are correct, and i came to exactly that realization only minutes after i had written the post and already left. So yes you are correct in that one scenario, but you should still keep in mind that i have never heard anybody use the term "collect" to describe the action for which you have just specified in any but the most temporary of terms. In other words, saying that those souls are being collected really, for any functional definition, apply to that situation.

Of course, that creativity and ingenuity is why i love all of you guys so much in the first place, so keep it up.

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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2004, 10:11:37 PM »
:oops: kisses to you too Jack! :D
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