I think the way to solve val's problem would be to make it either a cursededed evil artifact, or perhaps an artifact with the blessing of the Knowledge god, whomever that might be, who negotiates with the other deities to 'lease' the souls of the faithful for a short time (in the "grand timescale"). Said souls very well might know of their death, and the pious ones would consider it their final act of service before their final reward (assuming they are informed of the terms of their stay within the book), whereas the evil ones might be scheming and plotting within the book to try and remain immortal (the means of which would be as varied as you like).
An interesting item such as this always opens up new avenues of thought and idea. Nice work sveri! Go to Comment
My only problem with these items is that we have mortal magic defying the immortal. I think that there would need to be some form of power behind the mage's creation of this item. At least in my opinion on the power level of mortal magic. For a normal mage to be able to craft something like this is a bit far out for me.
That said, it is a cool item and a nice 'trap'. I would like to know how one could become released from the item - this could be an interesting plot as someone might seek to release the spirit of one or more of the great mages stored within. Go to Comment
Yes, the souls are trapped in a sort of Limbo... whether or not they are aware of this fate is debatable though. In my opinion, the souls contained in the book know only of the events of their life. Their fates after death are beyond their knowledge, as part of the books magic. Thus, the soul of T'Arkia, for example, might not even know that it didn't make it to the afterlife. All in all not a horrible fate, but for those who expected an encounter with their given god, it would be. Otherwise, lets face it, many of the souls would warn users against using this book. As for a ring of heaven, I imagine it could go either way. On one hand, the ring has the advantage of proximity, being directly on the finger of the deceased... on the other hand, the Book is a powerful artifact, while the ring seems like a relatively mass produced kind of thing (correct me if I am mistaken). On the third hand, a church official who had lived a holy life but had been a reader of the Book would not think to use a Ring (he might even think such a thing blasphemous) and would therefore have his soul taken by the book. Anyways, I imagine the Ring would win out by virtue of closeness (unless the person died within say, a few miles of the Book), but if it were removed or destroyed, the book would take the soul then.
Anyways, I always think too hard about these things when they're brought up. Thanks, Cheka Man, for the interesting discussion! Go to Comment
I see this item as primarily an accident, a failure of a great mages life work. I don't think that this item would be duplicatable, even by the original creator. Thus, yes, it is quite powerful for the average wizard to whip up over the weekend, but as the result of a lifetime of work and unforeseen magical complications during its making, and thus we have quite a handy cursed item. Go to Comment
Thanks, Chaos. I think your comment shows that there could be another form of this book (maybe its own sub altogether) that might house those who knowingly place themselves into the book in exchange for some degree of immortality, or as a service to a deity. Such a sub might make an even better item than this one! Go to Comment
A very solid, very useful submissions. A good twist to add to any cosmology.
I would of liked to have seen how this demon kind reigns in hell, and how demon kind has changed under his reign. If he exists, how does he impact all things?
Also how sad is he? DO we have a morose demon king? Do we have a bitter man who is not offing demons (because he can) for every little offense. Has he become a demon in all but birth? He is their king, he could stop all of them from doing Evil on the world, so why is he still allowing them to run loose?
I am giving it an extra bump in score because it is your first submission. Nicely done, would like to see more. Go to Comment
This submission is well written and presented, but there is something that I just dont like about it, I can see Lacrimosa ascending to the leadership of the demons, but it brings up some questions:
Are all the demons part of a single over-arching heirarchy? If so, why? If not, why havent the other demonic factions whittled Lacrimosa's hordes down?
Why have no other demons attempted to depose of Lacrimosa? SO he has a spell that can destroy any demon, but how many at a time, could two assassins kill him, or an army of them, or could he be poisoned? (Holy water in his baby-blood soup?)
THis just rather reminds me of a game a decade ago where the junior DM ran a vampire game, but the vampires in question, us the PCs could go out in the daylight, and didnt have to drink blood. It was... lame. Go to Comment
I don't know - I kind of preferred it vague, if only because I could see a large number of ways that he could turn. Does he try to maintain his positions from life? Is he so morose as to be apathetic, letting demons run more loose than ever (which could be a great plot hook)? Does he, that he might be reunited with his loved ones sooner, actively seek the destruction of the universe? Perhaps in his melancholy he travels to the world, and, merely by being a demon, brings pain and suffering, when all he wants is some semblance of his old life back. Go to Comment
Great submission. Evil by neccesity is a great concept. It would make for an interesting adventure to have a group of adventurers embroiled in hellish intrigue and power games with him on one side of it. Go to Comment
"Binding the Life Coil" is an ancient quasi-mystical technique rediscovered to prolong one's life at the expense of one reproductive ability. It is a simple magikal technique that anyone can learn (a skill or feat). The promise of near immortality or a lifespan of a thousand years or more makes everyone want to learn it.
This technique has a price though, the amount of immortality is in direct response to the strength of ones reproductive spirit. Those that have never breed will live longer than those that have. The use of the technique makes conception difficult, if not impossible. So you trade the future of your society for the chance for you to see much of that future.
Ideas ( System ) | May 28, 2003 |