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The Biv
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Murometz's comment on 2015-06-12 01:45 AM
Second read...

This time I'm just going with "wow". Go to Comment
The Biv
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hylandpad's comment on 2011-08-28 01:40 AM


Well, like you said, it's a very complex piece. The closest thing you have to radicals is the Fluxers vs Purist conflict. It's not religious extremism as we see it today - in fact, it's more akin to hyper-progressives (Fluxers) and stoic conservatives (Purists) The religious sects of New Terra have their own holy scriptures that may or may not coincide with the Biv, depending on the personal beliefs set in place by the religious institution. With that being said, conflict concerning the Biv are usually political in nature, if not scholarly.

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The Biv
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PoisonAlchemist's comment on 2011-08-28 01:26 AM


A wonderful take on a critical piece of literature. I love how comprehensive it is, both the contents of the Biv and the contents of the submission. I also like how its circulation and treatment are a reflection of societal values. So we have society changing the Biv, but the one thing I feel this piece lacks is how the Biv influenced the people (other than obvious literacy). Does it actually lead people to better lives? I don't get the sense it actually had a strong impact on leading people out of the Age of Night. Are there Biv radicals of obscure versions and interpretations? I understand it is not a religion by some definitions, but it is by others and that is why I am trying to precieve it through that lense of experience. 


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The Sigurdian Bowgun
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Scrasamax's comment on 2011-08-23 12:39 PM


Backstory is good, but the mechanics are dubious. If I am reading this right, the bowstrings fire the bolt down a rifled barrel, but I see this as adding more drag to the projectile, lessening its range and penetration value. The standard crossbow and its all steel arbalest brother seldom lacked for penetration power, and their accuracy was indeed less than that of the longbow, but it was a work in progress. The area where the crossbow fell short, was that it had a slow rate of fire. The bowstring and its potential energy had to be drawn back by hand. The arbalest traditionally had a hand crank to draw the string back since a typical soldier didnt have the upper body strength to do it by hand. A conventional crossbow could be secured with a foot loop and the string drawn back by hand. Two bowstrings doubles this, meaning a big mechanical device to draw both back at one time, or drawing the two seperately.



Rather than being revolutionary, I can see the Sigurdian Bowgun being an anomaly in weapon design, intimidating and powerful at short range, but complicated and difficult to make.


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The Sigurdian Bowgun
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Scrasamax's comment on 2011-08-24 11:48 PM
Genuine question: Would two strings with a pull of 150 lbs each combine to make a combined 300 lb pull, or would the force transferred from the strings remain 150 lbs? I saw and episode of Mythbusters where it was debated two cars hitting each other at 30 mph each was equivalent to one car hit a stationary object at 60 mph. The answer was no, the cars only carried 30 mph of kinetic energy each. Go to Comment
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EchoMirage's comment on 2011-08-23 02:38 PM


You could go with a spring mechanism, with a winch to draw back a hideously strong metal coil... or you could make it a Gauss crossbow, propelling the bolt along the barrel with whatever technobabble strieks your fancy.



Also, I don't think fletching per se has to impart a spin on the arrow, it ensures that the arrow does not tumble.



As it is, the technological solution does not make too much sense.



On a different note - you can really go way out there: what if the bolts are magnetic - and coincidentally, the magic used to enhance the armors of the cavalry improves all the properties of the metal, including attracting magnets, disproportionately so?


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The Sigurdian Bowgun
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EchoMirage's comment on 2011-08-24 02:38 AM
Ok, so no magic then.
The two bows are still more of an image thing, though. Because: you are aware that bows do come with various amounts of pull? The weak ones can be bent with little force, and likewise exert as little force on the arrow. The strong bows exert over 200 pounds of pull.

Only, exceedingly strong pull becomes difficult with crossbows as they require more and more elaborate mechanisms to cock them. Hence, perhaps you could come up with a clever and inventive solution for winding up hideously strong crossbows? Go to Comment
The Sigurdian Bowgun
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EchoMirage's comment on 2011-08-25 02:53 AM
Actually, yes they would combine their strength in this case. When a car hits a wall at 30 mph, the wall hits paradoxically back with the same force. Hence, it's as if two cars collided. (damn you, Newton!)

In the case of the bows, it's very much like trying to bend two sticks at once - they're more difficult to bend than one stick. By their powers combined, the bow-handgun is the bow-handgun.
What I am worried about is the homogenous transduction of force from two bows to one arrow. And also the consideration: why the hell would I use two bows when I can simply use a stronger one?
The problem is not one bow being too weak, rather it's in bending such a strong bow. Go to Comment
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valadaar's comment on 2013-05-21 12:12 PM
I think the use of two bows instead of 1 better bow could result from not having bow material suitable - for whatever reason - strong enough to handle the necessary stress.

Also, being able to crank each bow individually would be very helpful in allowing a higher than normal power level, though I'm not sure the mechanical complexity would be worth it.



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MysticMoon's comment on 2011-08-24 08:57 PM


The physics may be suspect, but I like the coolness factor. A creative twist to an old weapon.


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hylandpad's comment on 2011-08-22 11:33 PM
If you could imagine a bow placed vertically on either side of a block, and then imagine a steel dowel that rests and slides up and down the top of the block, pushing back the bowstring. That's the best explanation I can offer. I'm not good with physics, so I don't know if two bows would ACTUALLY amplify the power or distance projected, but it's also for aesthetic purposes - I just more or less figured it would look cool. =]
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hylandpad's comment on 2011-08-23 01:49 AM
Update: Added a bit of historical background. Go to Comment
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hylandpad's comment on 2011-08-23 01:22 PM
From a simple physics standpoint, I see the issue. Maybe not the most well thought out solution. Perhaps I should ditch the interior rifled barrel and just opt for the traditional on-the-top channel for the bolt to slide? Maybe even shorten the bows a bit to make it a bit less unwieldy?

And if you can imagine that both bowstrings fire simultaneously, and the bolt is in effect moved by basically a horizontal bar, attached to the middle of the both bowstrings, that's the effect I was going for. That horizontal bar is gripped on either side and drawn back, where it locks into position, much like a regular crossbow, except that the bar simply draws back two strings at once. The winch is implemented on the higher-tension bows, to make the reload a bit less taxing. The crossbow would indeed need a foot-loop, which I should probably add. Go to Comment
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hylandpad's comment on 2011-08-23 04:53 PM
Well, while "high tech" weaponry does exist in this fantasy setting, these weapons are far more common, so naturally they would be lower tech, so as enthralling as a "guass crossbow" sounds (and that does sound RADICAL) it wouldn't fit your somewhat run-of-the-mill type weapon.

I think I'm just going to make it more crossbowish and remove the barrel and just make the bolt glide down a hollowed channel in the stock.

Not sure what you mean by "Technological Solution"

And magical weaponry, like high tech weaponry exists, but those sorts of things are handcrafted and made to order, as it were. Again, just not appropriate for more common items in this particular setting. Go to Comment
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hylandpad's comment on 2011-08-24 03:50 AM
my sister actually happens to be a tournament archer. I'm fairly well versed in the poundage of bows. A longbow is somewhere near a 300 pound bow, or more in some cases. Perhaps I should also toss the long bows, and just make them two 150 or 175 bows. Probably more functional as well.
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hylandpad's comment on 2011-08-25 12:01 PM
I thought it was a pretty cool idea myself. I'm finding my grasp on simple physics to be fairly dubious as well, but I thought it was an interesting take on an old trick.

And Echo, to answer your question, why use two inferior bows when you could just use one superior bow: 2+2 = 4, 4+0 = 4, 3+1 = 4. You can stack the numbers however you want, but you get the same result. I just found the mental image aesthetically pleasing and bad-ass.

I do have a friend who is a physics major and coincidentally a hunter who uses compound bows pretty regularly. I'll see if I can't get a more solid answer from him whether or not the tensions of two bows are multiplied by an even two, or if the multiplier is something more on the order of 1.5 or 1.75. Go to Comment
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hylandpad's comment on 2011-08-27 05:00 PM
Update: I simplified the weapon a bit, hopefully putting some of the physics debate out of the way. I also detailed how and why the weapon is better than contemporary arbalests by giving comparisons of effective killing distances. Hope this helps. Go to Comment
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PoisonAlchemist's comment on 2011-08-22 08:40 PM


A great siege weapon, it is wonderfully described with a hint of the politics surrounding it. That leaves only one question, how did it come into being? I am also unclear how the two bowstrings function on one projectile. 


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Prophets and Sorcerers
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Scrasamax's comment on 2011-08-18 07:26 PM
Can we call them something else? I am struggling with the visual of the old man with a long beard, sunburnt and a little mad from seeing the future/divine, rather than what seems to be a spiritual symbiote that slowly causes etheric cancer but grants more magic powerz. I do like the concept though, don't get me wrong! Go to Comment
Prophets and Sorcerers
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Scrasamax's comment on 2011-08-19 01:52 PM
Not sorcerer, I was referring to the spirit 'Prophets' Go to Comment
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