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Adam Smith
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2012-09-21 10:57 PM
I agree with Muro on the similarities of the character in Se7en. The story itself intrigued me more than it probably should have I think but I still enjoy the character as a villain.

On a side note, can someone translate what axle said? I went back and read the sub three times thinking I missed something. Go to Comment
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2012-09-22 11:53 AM
Adding in more of his background and history of his fall into criminal behavior would help. Especially now that apparently he is wealthy which I didn't gather from reading it.
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2012-09-22 02:32 PM
Fair enough, and having a one shot villain to throw at the players is required of having an in depth back story. However as stated by caesar himself, Smith was granted with a huge inheritance that made it possible for his crime spree to begin. I am curious as to why this big inheritance was given and if it was the push that made him a criminal or was he a murderer long before he became rich?

I get the mystery behind not knowing is one for an outside viewer but for one to run someone such as him I personally like to know why he became the way he is, his motivation for doing it, etc. Me I just like to know everything. Go to Comment
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2012-09-22 04:37 PM
Adam Smith
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2012-09-22 04:40 PM
Ok I see this and read it and his crimes are pretty brutal. I don't see the Judges family on there, or if I did I didn't recognize the names.

One other thing I don't see is a catalyst or motive. These types of crimes don't just happen. Something leads up to it or causes it, hence my desire for the backstory. He is still a creepy guy for sure, and as a Gm I just like information so don't do it just appease me but his reason behind killing just doesn't hit me/ Go to Comment
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Murometz's comment on 2012-09-21 05:46 PM
Wow, so he's not the Father of Modern Economics I was expecting :-)

Do expand the tale at some point. Somewhat reminiscent of that Kevin Spacey character in "Se7en" Go to Comment
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Murometz's comment on 2012-09-22 01:54 AM
Its axle. He doesn't just comment, he comments with commitment :) Go to Comment
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axlerowes's comment on 2012-09-21 07:53 PM

"Elizabeth, 3, blood loss from removed limbs."


That is a little graphic no? Nobody says s**t about this but people get all huffy if you type f**k. Darn backward moral code if you asked me.


Overall this reminds of the anti-batman character from the comic Nemesis (thanks A.B.) and of course the character from Se7en (with the single finger print and all).


As to Adam Smith, I like this version of him and his blood thirsty capital_crimes_list. Get it Adam Smith wrote "The wealth of nations" and this Adam Smith made a lot of deposits in the blood bank.....no?....bah


Again like the others I would like to know more, write now it is all flair and no depth.

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axlerowes's comment on 2012-09-22 09:09 AM
no hurry the citadel will wait
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axlerowes's comment on 2012-09-22 12:25 PM
Here is a question: Some villains and heros, are more effective and more interesting if you don't know their backstory. Kevin Spacey's character from Se7en, the Jackel (as not represented by Bruce Willis), or the Joker as seen in the latest Batman movies.
The lack of a back story for Smith may make him all the more terrifying, but does the GM need to know his backstory to run him effectively?

When you want to run a soulless unattached deviant with no real connection to the world save a desire to hurt, it what more can you say about him. Perhaps it is all style?

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axlerowes's comment on 2012-09-22 01:58 PM

Tragedy Plus Time:


Adam Smith escapes from prison and travels to new town and starts up his murderous spree again. Little does Adam Smith expect that he will finally meet his match, the world’s most incompetent police force and unmotivated journalistic community. Try as Adam Smith might to stake out (literally he put a stake into somebody) a reputation and inspire fear in people he just can’t get these badge totting morons to connect even the most obvious dots. Murders go unnoticed or misunderstood. The local PETA president eaten by rescue kittens was never discovered. The couple buried alive under a ton coal was declared an accident, the detailed calling card describing how he killed a local vicar with a high pressure liquid nitrogen enema was declared a suicide note, and the investigation of the man tricked into to eating ball bearings before the MRI was derailed by poor paper work and a mix up at the morgue. They dismissed that calling card as a prank cause autopsy ruled it a hearth attack. Just last week Adam Smith went to the police station to inquire about the how the investigation into that “terrible trebuchet and sewing needle related death” was going and the duty sergeant paused from her texting long enough to point at the chalk board listing open cases. His latest masterpiece was beneath “tire fire”.


Truly, Adam Smith was put out. He could move to new town, but then what about all the work he put into this mid-size town. He would just have to play both sides. So Mr. Smith goes to hire the some professionals. The PCs are brought in to town with the promise of money and the goal of getting these investigations back on track. Then the "action" starts.


1) The PCs have to wrestle the case away from the momentum of incompetence that currently holds them.


2) Another elaborate murder occurs (sort of) but even the PCs will find convincing evidence that this was an accident, all be it, a freakish one. There is the absence of the dragon card, which their employer insists would be there. The hitch is that local minister and his friend the town’s largest landowner, both ex-spies or cops, have been working to cover up the murders. a. Minister “This would just ruin the town, a few accidents we can handle but serial killer…no thank you…they never make you look good.” b. Land Owner: “Best just to ignore these types, they will move along or die, at least he doesn’t do it on the street. ”


3) Smith starts cracking up, he is practically confessing to crimes, finding evidence and insisting that crime scenes have been tampered with. The PCs will no doubt be putting things together. If they do “catch” Smith I can imagine the confrontation going something like this.


Smith-“Hello, my friends, I suppose this isn’t really what you expected is it.”


PC 1- “Well….uh…you kind of told us where to look for stuff”


PC 2- “Wait, are we still getting paid?”


Smith-“I think a certain payment will be delivered, perhaps not what you expected, but a man can only do so much from jail. Of course I have been know to plan ahead as Judge Rudolph would attest”


PC 1- “Who?”


PC 3- “Listen bud we work for you, no reason to send you up the river”


PC 2- “I forget did he pay us”


Smith-sipping his brandy, “I suppose you will want toknow how the undertaker’s fingers ended up in the boot of that volkswagon.”


All PCs- “Nah”


PC 3- “You said there would be a reward if we got the guy, is that still tr-”


PC 4 I shoot Smith in the head


GM-wait you don’t know how the fish monger ended up glued to the wrecking ball


PC4-Head. * rattle * SWEET a crit!

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axlerowes's comment on 2012-09-22 02:03 PM
this has grown on me Go to Comment
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axlerowes's comment on 2012-09-22 04:33 PM
I could see arguments for both sides and I wasn't taking a position. I would want to know all the details if running it as well. You never know if a player is going to do something unexpected and it is always nice if players have a more existential world to play in. Go to Comment
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axlerowes's comment on 2012-09-23 05:16 PM

If I play basketball and D&D then my motivation may be the same, I enjoy it or find it rewarding. But what I find rewarding about the two is very different in some respects and overlapping in others. Enjoyment is the conclusion or cumulative response to experince, but stating that I enjoy it does nothing to detail my motivation behind it. "he enjoys it" is no answer at all

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caesar193's comment on 2012-09-20 03:52 PM
Yeah, I thought him up as more of a fiction. I was (sadly) mowing the lawn, and my brain wasn't exactly required. I think that I'll expand the fiction piece of it at some point Go to Comment
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caesar193's comment on 2012-09-21 10:51 PM
Adam Smith's an actual figure in history? I guess its true that you learn something new each day. I actually just thought of two random, common names, not the Father of Modern Economics. Anyway. Right now, Adam Smith is defined by his murders. Maybe I should make a list of crimes he's committed, or a short bio (detailing the huge inheritance he got, sustaining all his plans- what, you thought napalm came cheap?). But if I do do that, it will happen tomorrow. Or the day after that at the latest. Go to Comment
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caesar193's comment on 2012-09-22 03:30 PM
Update: added crime list. Go to Comment
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caesar193's comment on 2012-09-23 01:49 PM
Update: Added Rudolph's family to crimes and backstory. Go to Comment
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caesar193's comment on 2012-09-23 05:11 PM
His reason for killing? What's your reason for being a GM? What's your reason for, in short, having fun? All have the same(ish) answer. Go to Comment
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caesar193's comment on 2012-09-23 05:40 PM
What is enjoyment? What is happiness? Why do you like the taste of pizza? Why do you like the color blue? Adam Smith has no motivation to kill. If you want to say that it makes him feel more powerful than everyone else, fine. If you want to give him a reason to kill, fine. But my Adam Smith enjoys, for hobbies, making bird houses, cooking and decorating cakes, and killing random strangers. Go to Comment
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