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axlerowes's comment on 2012-02-18 06:38 AM


Not that one needs to make such a banal distinction among flowers as to have favorites but if I did it would be #11 is my favorite,  then followed by 24-26, you were really on a roll there. And I think #6 was the most interesting of the mini stories.  I think this is a very useful, well organized, well written and hard laborerd sub. I have read it more than once, more than twice and really wrestled with varying opinions about what to say about this,  but for some reason I have been reluctant to comment and vote on it.  I am going to offer a critque, but i just to say clearly that I have a generally positive view of this piece.   



 



This write up is first and last a genre piece.  It seems written for that iron age, culturally European (for the most part-scorpion sword and clumsy emperor may be from different setting), literate, semi-magical, gold coin economy that represents the expected standard of all DnD worlds.   I am not knocking works of genre, genre is what makes role-playing games possible AND wildly accessible, but the cultural baggage of this particular genre has been something that I have always tried to resist.    And this piece seems to rely on what was packed in that baggage, for example take #20, this offers up a lot about the world. We learn that there is a money economy, that peasants are taxed directly, that there is a king who agents are resented and you might be right to say that is true about the worlds of most games.  (though I would wish that your average player would not make such assumptions).  In some of the songs you even discuss what types of instruments are used and the proper names of people or place.  There is a lot of cultural baggage in most of these songs and you do not discuss the archetypal themes of the song. Thus all the entries seem discrete and specific to a defined world, which is fine and good but not utilized to the full potential in this post. 



If I were to take 30 Bardic songs from England in 1065 AD, and 30 Bardic songs from Greece in 1065 BCE, I would get a very different but informative take on the material cultures, their mytho-historical experiences and their values.  I may pick up on some universal themes, but I might also learn a little about what it meant to be Greek or English at those times.  (Or I might learn what it is they wanted it to mean.) The songs listed in this post are not songs that will be recited by a rapping bard with a lyre in the halls of Thebes or played before the Minion court.   Yes GM could adapt them, #30 could shift settings quickly by taking out the anachronistic references to chain mail and tossing the word Bronze in there.  But if the GM does this then he loses what is really great about “30 Bardic tails”, and that is the detail of each song.   My point is not that you should change these songs to make them more general or adaptable.  My point is that you have already paid the price of cultural specificity with each of these song and if feels remiss that you are not drawing any conclusions or even giving us suggestions about how these songs tell the story of people.  (You have bought the cow, why not let us have some butter) 



 



Even if you don’t want “30 Bardic Tales” to draw the conclusions implicitly, you may as well give the songs some level of connection with regard to the people that championed, sometimes reviled and more importantly wrote these songs.    I know I am taking up the cause of imaginary people, who perhaps you have yet to imagine, but I think Strolen’s Citadel is the place were the rights of fictitious are championed.  And if you don’t want the whole post to be window into same culture then perhaps you can discuss the people that wrote each one.  You get at that a bit in some them, but not in all and never get very much.   Writing 30 Bardic Tales was very ambitious and I think you succeed in writing 30 interesting song summaries (kind of like an iron age TRL).   In writing 30 specific songs the way you have, you have created a lot of cultural and intellectual weight, and for the most part you aren’t reaching the full potential of what you’ve wrought.  If you brought that cultural and intellectual weight to the surface more effectively this could be a transcendent piece.  Right now it is just a very good piece.



 



 



 



 



  


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valadaar's comment on 2011-01-12 10:28 AM


Frankly, I can't vote anything other then 5 on this one.  It is an excellent resource!



Now, could there be more? Yes, but I think a new sub would better capture this as these are wonderful as is.  What I would suggest is another 30 perhaps that uses existing subs as inspiration, to lead readers to further explore the other subs. 



And, what are you trying to say in item #1, hmm? :)


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valadaar's comment on 2011-01-25 02:39 PM
Care to elaborate? :) I was commenting on the first character's name compared to my handle :)

Now I need to google... Go to Comment
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Silveressa's comment on 2011-01-12 12:42 PM
Thanks for pointing out the faced error, I thought I'd gotten all the apostrophes correct, I'll fix them in a reedit when I have more time ;) Go to Comment
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Silveressa's comment on 2011-01-12 12:46 PM
It took a google search for me to decipher the unintended innuendo, and now I find it too funny to change. :P (I'm more familiar with the terms "caressing the flower/double clicking the mouse" ;) )

I like the idea for another 30 sub, I'd enjoy reading some of the inspired bardic tale concepts others come up with. Go to Comment
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Silveressa's comment on 2011-01-12 01:32 PM
Update: Edited for grammatical errors and a few spacing issues. Go to Comment
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Silveressa's comment on 2011-01-13 07:54 AM
The poetry passaged are supposed to be fragments from each song, thus the meter is slanted more towards how it would sound if sung in particular lilt or speed rather then plainly read.

(much how some real life songs sound poorly metered when read, but beautiful to the ear when sung) Go to Comment
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Silveressa's comment on 2011-01-14 12:31 AM
Aye, I have musical variations as well, a couple of them in finished form, others as rough drafts some still a jumble of notes . Given I only play the violin, the couple I have compositions made for are set to various violin styles.

(Since bards play a variety of instruments I mixed up the musical instrument descriptions to make each piece more unique/fitting and realistic.)

If anyone *really* wants me to, I can post the complete lyrics for a few of the songs, although I honestly doubt more then a scant few (if any gms) would use them in their entirety. (After all, what player wants to sit for several minutes and listen to the gm recite, or attempt to sing them a song?) Go to Comment
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Silveressa's comment on 2011-02-22 02:38 PM
Ah I completely overlooked the similarities in the name Valador to Valadaar and assumed you were referencing my other unintended reference.

To clarify for those too lazy to Google a quick explanation:

Slay the dragon: Slang, A euphemism for male masturbation.

Caressing the flower/double clicking the mouse: Slang, A euphemism for female masturbation.

In light of this confusion it makes Valdaar's original comment, and the lyrics as written all the more amusing, beautiful! Go to Comment
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Kassy's comment on 2011-07-22 03:47 AM


5/5 and HoH from me.



A highly useful resource.


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RGTraynor's comment on 2012-02-16 01:20 AM


A sound idea, and the selection and explanation of the songs comprise a good, representative range of the genre.  Like EchoMirage, though, I have a hard time figuring out how many the excerpted lyrics could possibly scan (except for a couple of the jocular lyrics, where strict scansion and meter aren't needful), and artistically they're comparatively pedestrian.  I empathize with the effort; having been a lyricist and poet for decades, it's not always easy to churn out quality lyrics on demand, but the lack keeps the sub from top marks.


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Dossta's comment on 2011-01-12 11:56 AM


This is a great resource.  There are a few spelling and grammar errors ("faced paced" instead of "fast paced", forgetting to use apostrophies with possessives), but it is so useful that I'm still giving it a 5/5.  Well done!


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Ramhir's comment on 2011-01-12 01:27 PM


I agree with the others, a well-crafted sub. Thanks (5/5)


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MysticMoon's comment on 2011-02-23 07:02 PM


Impressive.



Even though each item is relatively short, you manage to convey a lot and make each one truly believable.


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Seebri's comment on 2011-01-16 07:50 AM
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Murometz's comment on 2011-01-18 07:16 PM


what happened here? Why was this was deleted?


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Silveressa's comment on 2011-01-25 08:28 AM
This one I had trouble posting the first time due to a "name already exists error", the original is still on the front page, no worries :)

Edit: changed the name and content of this deleted one to prevent others from being confused as well. Go to Comment
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Ancient Gamer's comment on 2008-05-04 04:12 AM
Paragraphs and air. Paragraphs and space.

Please, please give us that. :) Go to Comment
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Ouroboros's comment on 2011-01-10 05:10 AM


I do believe this to be inspired by the excellent Target Games RPG "Kult" unless I´m mistaken? An all-time favourite of mine. Nicely done. I would like to see more of its kind here.



 



//David


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Ouroboros's comment on 2011-01-10 02:34 PM
Memory lane for me. I´ve had some of my best roleplaying experiences with that system, and I still draw heavily from it when in need of inspiration. Industrial splatter-horror, ice-cold cynicism and women having sex with panthers, what else could a growing lad need? :)

I´m looking forwards to seeing more of your stuff. I think we need some more creative writing around here. I even think I have a half-baked Kult novelette buried deep in my "in work" folder...

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