"Join a cult, Small steps, better rewards, before you know it, the PCs release a greater demon."
That is the idea. I think the idea would have more drama and be more engaging as a roleplaying tool if it was
"Join a cult, Smalls step, better rewards and before you know it the PCs WANT MORE than ANYTHING to release a greater demon."
One does not have the write up the theology per se, as we all agree the theology is unimportant to the plot. But what i was suggesting was the there be a line of information or point in the action SE outlined in which the PCs take control of the narrative and the cult. Alternatively, perhaps a point were the PCs have to make choice: great reward or advancement of the cult. Perhaps several small scenes in which the PC interact with Gods, one of the PCs could have the dreams about the Goddess, the PCs could be carriers for the spirits of the demigods. Because right now the PCs don't really have any interaction with the Gods, the demigods are summoned then leave the room (of course having to much NPC time is dangerous to a narrative). I am suggesting a scene or line of the story that causes the PCs to become invested in the cult beyond the stat and material rewards, and beyond the "well we already gone this far" argument.
I like this write up, I really respect and admire the way it is written, I said that i my first comment. I like that you have both a story told in an immersive narrative and the GM voice dialog about why and how the plot should progress. If I wanted to an example of sub with a great voice I would point to this one. I gave it a 4. I will give it HoH.
Yet ou guys are just being awful and defensive, you exaggerating things and setting up these false hyperbolic conditions. What I think I am hearing
"We are here to have fun, to much thought=less fun"
"I am not getting paid to do this, it is "
"You are obtuse (lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect ) and missing the point."
I think I get the point, in that SE is not just sharing an idea, he is both telling a story and telling people how to tell a story. I like the story, I like way he told it, but I suggest that the story would be stronger if there was more personal involvement in the story on the part of the protagonist in an RPG. Because right now in the write up it may the actions of the PCs the drive the plot, but they under the direction of the NPCs. And I am just suggesting, I am not saying…well I reserve my vote…or demanding you improve this. I too am trying to articulate an idea. Go to Comment
*Low whistle of appreciation* Very, very nice work, Shadow. Of the quest submissions so far, this is by far my favorite. For a solid list of ideas to fill out Level 2, I humbly suggest 40 Thieves Guild Missions by Nobody -- I've found it invaluable as a resource for those kinds of "dirty odd-jobs".
I honestly can't think of anything you need to do to improve this -- the flavor text is fantastic, the quest progression is logical, and the imprisoned goddess is even sympathetic in a way. If I ever end up with another party sliding down the Slippery Slope, I will definitely revisit this. Go to Comment
Would most of your objections here be addressed if this was recategorized to a Plot, rather than a System? I agree that it doesn't fit the System category as well as it could, but the Religions and Cults quest didn't specify a particular category for entries. Go to Comment
The theology of the Cult is not nearly as important as the process the party goes through to climb its ranks. In fact, I would say that by leaving the theology intentionally sparse, Shadow has actually increased the generality and usefulness of this submission.
Let me explain: Eriphen and her two children are nice, but ultimately irrelevant and replaceable. They may not fit into my current campaign world, or they may just not interest me personally. That's alright.
As written, all I need is a trapped deity and two other powerful entities to help free him/her. These can be dragons, powerful mages, alien artifacts, killer robots -- anything that is ultimately far stronger than the players and most of their enemies.
If you look at the pantheons for a lot of published campaign settings, you can probably find one or two lost or trapped gods, goddesses or other mythic beings that you can easily adapt this campaign to. BUT, just in case your world doesn't have an established mythology yet, Shadow provided us with the bones to build one on.
Alright, I think I'm beginning to see your point axle. You aren't so much asking for the theology to be fleshed out, as for more places in the storyline where the theology (such as it is) is relevant.
I agree that the PCs are a little passive here. They follow a list of pre-planned actions at the behest of various NPCs. Aside from the promise of power and wealth, there is little to connect the party to the cult or make them feel like they are a part of something bigger.
Perhaps more interaction with normal cult members would help. Giving the party a strong sense of "family" could be all the motivation needed. It is up to the GM to potray the religion sympathetically -- perhaps appeal to the party's sense of fair play by giving the opposition large advantages.
The problem is, I don't really see where to add this to the current sub. Maybe as "ideas for play" or a short "player investment" section at the bottom? I'm sure Shadow would welcome any ideas you choose to add here, as well. Go to Comment
I like this. I'm never great at using magic into a setting, and it usually becomes either convoluted or tritely generic. Maddux makes magic seem a natural phenomena, and Skaldevale as a "geologically active" place, so to speak. It's beautifully simple, really. Nice work. Go to Comment
Maddux Systems (Geological/ Geographical)
The following conversation took place between Vartenedal smuggler and Skaldenvale wool monger after several drinks
"Listen here Mr. Uvtogova, I think you must be exaggerating, this Maddux thing really can't be that..."
"NYET, ya daft foo', ew dinna no unner stan, assniff da gawd, ave uh bug uh dice a 'ist uh orror in onsirs ta uvv up yer arse"
Translation from the Skaldenvale dialect to High Vartanedelian
"Not all you stupid clown, you fail to grasp how the situation resembles a God rolling dice and then consulting a list of horrors and monsters with which torment people.
Well there is the whole thing about perspective, who wrote this, who is theorizing? Does the average person think of this reality thing and this pool of magic? You seem to be writing very much with a GM voice: in as much as your are communicating in narrative and out of narrative at the same time. Forget that,
What I am geeked about is the whole metaphysics you have dived into here. We have a tool with which to ask questions in game such as what is reality? How would people behave if we had a clear definition for reality? The Maddux is real, the farmers tools come to life-that was real, but it was unnatural or it was the result of break in the fabric of reality? So is reality only what is expected or common? The Maddux is theorized to be a natural weak spot in the fabric of reality, which is made up of what we can experience.
So if somebody can experience more or less do they have different reality?
At any rate great stuff and fun idea to make a setting more dramatic. I am also excited to see and play with the effect this enviornment will have on the culture and philosophy of the people.
You gave a very good visual description of how to picture the Maddux -- seems like something that a professor would use to help his students conceptualize the strangeness in some magical college. Thinking of it like an unusual weather phenomenon is a good tactic. If it is a very long-running thing, I can imagine charity groups or government programs designed to provide "Maddux relief" for the victims of a bad "pop".
I can also imagine villagers making all kinds of crazy preparations besides boarding up their houses and businesses. Perhaps fencing in their fields, or leaving first-aid supplies in easily accessible places, or even tying all of their tools and sharp implements together firmly. Can you imagine a party walking into town during the middle of the storm of activity, wondering why the farmer is muzzling his cows? Go to Comment
Maddux Systems (Geological/ Geographical)
Nice idea. Nice organization. Maybe I should steal this idea for my own land of Hypoten (with a slight variation, of course. Perhaps Sylvia would be a good place for it?) because your land is geographically near my land. Anyway, I enjoyed the backstory of the coining of the term maddux Go to Comment