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Scrasamax's comment on 2010-10-22 10:31 AM
In hindsight, it was not quite the problem we thought it was. There were still a number of talented writers who did leave and didnt come back. Some deleted all of their content, others simply left in disgust. Go to Comment
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Cheka Man's comment on 2006-06-12 06:05 PM
5/5 for this interesting submission. I only make my 5/5 votes *public* normally. Go to Comment
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Michael Jotne Slayer's comment on 2010-09-27 04:09 PM
Only voted:) Go to Comment
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Michael Jotne Slayer's comment on 2010-11-08 11:06 AM


I am HoHing this since it seems that the old debate of votes is once again alive, as it should be. I think the article itself is a good one, but I do not, however agree with your point that a 4.0 is the lowest of the good votes. A 3.0 is in my opinion a good vote for a short but solid submission. However; if my post has received a 3.0 and is 20 pages long I should have a look at it. So in my view, votes are not always just votes, they also reflect the submission itself. But there are no rules(there are guidelines) and forcing rules on people could very easily drive them away and work against the very concept of this page. What do we want? We want RPG related content, the votes are simply a guide trough that content. And the indicator as to the quality of the content is decided by the average of the votes cast by the people. It is not a perfect system but it is the best we have.



To quote Winston Churchill:



“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

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Ancient Gamer's comment on 2006-06-13 02:17 PM
Well, I gave you a Scras for this. It was a nice read and while I did not agree with everything, most things made me nod my head in recognition. I use votes a little different than you. For me a 4 is a good score. A 4 has been approved, albeit by a marginal degree. There is no shame or dishonour in a 4 and many 4's are way better than some 5's I know.

A vote is a thing connected to more than the submission. I have been around here for a while and I am fairly certain that I can claim the following:

-The vengeance voter is a person that has received low votes from, or had a dispute with another person here on the citadel. His vote has nothing whatsoever to do with the sub and mirrors the antipathy of the person.

-The "boycotter" is a person that refuses to acknowledge the existence of another person's subs on the citadel for some similar reason. A boycot-activist won't reply to, or vote for any sub written by the person they loathe, though they often read them.

-The self-voter is a person that goes to great lengths to vote on their own subs. Though it is technically impossible to vote on your own sub, there are work arounds. Some are refined and use different computers to achieve the effect, and others are less so and use the same computer for all their activities. The less refined self-voters are hopelessly easy to spot as they vote top score all the way, often with accompanying bad grammar.

-The envious voter is a person who works hard, often really hard, to write their own subs, but still they are beat by some other person(s). With time resentment and envy gnaws at their core and suddenly their votes starts dropping when they reply to the successful person's subs.


Why did I mention these? Well, because now that I have semi-retired from the Citadel I must confess that these people were the ones that bothered me most. Their insecurity and weak character undermined the work of the real workhorses around this place. Watching someone vote for their own stuff, blatantly disregarding the rules and consciously bypassing the system to cheat... Well, it just stank. It still does.

I have never cheated and while I am but a minor figure of this place, I take great pride in my own work. I have gotten many high scores, but you know what? My personal favourite was a sub that is around 3.0-3.5. Yes. Other people dislikes it, but I LOVE it. And I would never cheat to prove my point, nor would I vote low against the people that voted it low. It was their honest opinion and I respect that.

So if y'all would have pride in your subs, good as bad, and stick to the rules - this place would be great. Go to Comment
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Ancient Gamer's comment on 2010-10-22 03:39 AM
I can only talk for myself, but at one time I put every ounce of my being into these subs, giving it my all and then holding my breath when I published it to the citadel.

Perhaps I took myself too seriously, actually I think I did, but at that time, waiting for someone to comment and vote (and sometimes they never did) was kinda hard.

But you are probably right. We should give it our all, then accept that it might not get lavished with attention and praise. It might be ignored, or flamed for that matter.

But it is hard, axle.

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ScorpionJinx's comment on 2011-08-05 08:50 AM
I do not consider myself one of those "talented writers", but I left when the the voting troubles started. It was just a bit much to deal with. But, I came back. Today is my first day back in a very long time and so many things are different now. It is going to take a while to adjust to how things are done now.

If I remember correctly, I deleted the stuff that I posted that was picked to death by some folks. I do not remember their names or the content involved, it was a long time ago. From the looks of it, the Citadel has entered a more civilized age.

I know this was posted last year, and I am a bit slow on getting back to things, but I found the article useful. It gave me a sense of some of the things that happened while I was away. Go to Comment
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2006-06-12 03:20 PM
I won't be the first to vote on this as it hits so close to home on a sub I did a while ago. I agree with everything in this post however. Of course this goes in with the Bad Form category I suppose but linking to my sub I think is relevant as it gives a different perspective on the Voting Numbers, while Scrasamax here goes in to more detail on the rest of the voting practices. I give kudos regardless.

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Mourngrymn's comment on 2006-06-12 03:56 PM
I'll second that Muro. Go to Comment
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2006-06-13 02:21 PM
I agree with everything you just said. Semi-retired? Go to Comment
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Priv8eye's comment on 2006-06-13 04:18 AM
Really good article, well laid out.

I admit to not always voting or commenting, partly because I have 'real'work to do and I could loose myself within Strolen for the day otherwise but they are good points well made and I will try to do more in future. Go to Comment
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Pariah's comment on 2006-06-18 12:27 AM
Good job here Scras. I don't really view 3 as a bad vote though, it's one that is just lacking something. It's kinda what you'd expect a random author to write, there are better and there are worse, but this is the median. But that's just me. Go to Comment
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Murometz's comment on 2006-06-12 03:53 PM
You didnt cover how your supposed to vote on a submission about voting. I'm stumped..hmmm..4?

but seriously, this is a timely topic. Nicely done!

I will use Council of Bone as an example to explain why I gave it a 4.5 (My system works only for me :D)

I enjoy Scras' work. His writing doesnt worsen as he juggles different ideas. His stuff is consistently well-writen, hence, I usually fall into that 4.5 category he mentions when voting on his pieces.

Is Council of Bone the penultimate word on literature? no..its not, so -.5. Is it a unique concept I have never before encountered? no..so -.5. Is it well-written? Enjoyable to read? Well-phrased? yes so +2 1/2. Can I use/steal cool ideas from this for my own campaign world or simply use them as inspiration for my own ideas? (bone-fetishes, ash-mortar,Sarcomancy, etc) YES! so +2 1/2. Additional +.5 for the verisimilitude of the post, and how the Bone Council ties into the campaign. That is how I arrived at 4.5. Go to Comment
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axlerowes's comment on 2010-10-21 03:48 PM


I really like most of your stuff Scrasamax, particularly your high tech post/sci-fi posts.  But this article is a little much, I was hoping it would be a flippant and amusing piece. But it is instead another argument for talking oneself and by extension gaming too seriously.  Maybe I missed the tone, but how can you write a article like this with out a sense of irony or absurdity? 


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axlerowes's comment on 2010-10-22 07:53 AM
I do think it is polite to comment on all the subs you can. People post things here in part because they want comments. But people also post things to give a wider audience to their work. Role-playing can be a media, like theater, comic books or any other type of narrative art. Yet in role-playing we often have a very small audience. This site gives us a chance to share our work with others who have similar interests, and sharing our work is one of the reasons we have this hobby. So think AG is right, it is important to be an audience on this site as well as an author, because a reciprocal relationship where everyone is an author or performer and an audience member is what makes role-playing games more than just games.

I do think voting serves a purpose. It allows the readers to feel more of an interaction and involvement with the posts. The voting is also a type currency which people can barter around and it creates a loose hierarchy. So in essence you have a game, these currency and hierarchy relationships are also the chief mechanic of most facebook “games”.


That is why I think we should view the game part of this site as absurd or superfluous. When you start to think that the your average post rank or experience reflects you talent or ability then I say you are ascribing to much value to the votes. A ascribing to much value to the game part of this interaction demeans the other more important interaction. I think Scras’s post, which asserts that his ranking are based on years of experience with literature and gaming, places too much meaning on the voting mechanics.

But just in case I am wrong, here is some exp.
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axlerowes's comment on 2010-10-22 09:18 AM
so at the time your wrote this voting was a problem? Was it hurting the function of the site? Go to Comment
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axlerowes's comment on 2013-08-09 01:37 PM
Scras deletes posts that don't score well and still posts a lot, I think deleting poor scoring posts is standard for those that really care about their scores. Go to Comment
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valadaar's comment on 2006-10-15 07:37 PM
Excellent post, though now those Under 3 votes I get hurt even more now :) Go to Comment
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Silveressa's comment on 2008-04-28 10:15 PM
Useful stuff, although I admit to being mystified on why someone would try and manipulate their subs rating. (Really, a lousy 1 star sub that they manipulate to a higher rating will still be just as lousy as the day it was written so what's really the point?)

One suggestion I do have to improve this thread is to add in a bit of details about how one goes about voting and how many times per day one is allowed to vote.

Other than that pretty handy. Go to Comment
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Kassy's comment on 2014-08-10 03:04 AM
Only voted Go to Comment
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