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CaptainPenguin's comment on 2004-05-14 01:38 PM
Meh.
It's like Godzilla.
Or it's like a big, rampaging mech.
It really doesn't seem that interesting to me, and it would be purposeless, to boot, since only the most ridiculously powerful of characters would be able to even dent it's foot or what-have-you.

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CaptainPenguin's comment on 2004-05-15 04:58 PM
Still...
I don't think I would use it for my worlds, but to each his own.

And don't you dare accuse me of being munchkin! Go to Comment
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CaptainPenguin's comment on 2004-05-16 04:44 PM
That is a damn big trench. I don't known if you could dig that much with just 30,000 men, could you? Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2004-05-14 02:14 AM
Wow. No comments. Not even things reposted from the thread. Oy.
Did I do something wrong? Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2004-05-15 01:53 AM
Captain, it is not about players being able to tackle it. Very munchkin of you to think about taking it out. If your players try, they will just expend charges or get themselves squashed flat if they are stupid enough to stand in its way. This creature also allows the GM to remind the players of how very insignificant they can be in the scheme of things.

That is why it should not have stats. (Old gamer addage, give something stats only if you want the players to fight it.) It is like fighting the weather or attacking the planet.

This is a force of nature, hurricane, a Godzilla. It is something to drive a number of plots and world events along... Evacuating the city before it gets there, hanging out in a city to prevent looters, scouting out where it might be, the reason why there is a new capital for a really old empire (it crushed the previous one), its presence might catalyze a war, it breaks down a mountain... flooding mud down the lowlands, and any number of things.

This is just a mechanism to foreshadow the power of the ancient peoples, a warning about disturbing things from that time, and a unique bit of chrome for a game world. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2004-05-17 12:55 AM
Of course, he could just climb down one side... and climb up the other... so you would have to make a dead fall trap.

It would have to be over 100 meters deep, by 50 meters across. That would be the same as making a pit 190cms for a human being, 100 cms wide.

I mean this thing walks along the floor of the ocean, so it would have to be pretty deep.

So if he falls in he will slowly dig or climb his way out.

Of course it is somewhat intelligent, so it might simply walk around the trap. This may or may not alter its final course. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2014-06-29 11:10 PM
Other Kaiju sized golems that were the weapons of that age. This is the last one. The weapons destroyed their civilization (so much so that it does not recognize anyting currently around as a foe). So how much do most being knows about a society of rubble 2000 years ago. We know about Romans/ Greeks but thtat is because our society is built on their foundations. Tell me about the Jawa Dwipa or Aksum or other non-origin cultures. Go to Comment
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Shadoweagle's comment on 2004-05-14 08:34 AM
Yeah. Its a nice item, but theres not much more to say :D I could add a link to the thread for my comment? :D

For comments/expansions on this idea, see the following thread:
http://www.strolen.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1438

There ya go ;) Go to Comment
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Iain's comment on 2004-05-14 07:28 AM
I think it's just that we've all already commented in the thread. You are getting votes though (4/5). Go to Comment
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Iain's comment on 2004-05-16 06:14 AM
A non-munchkin way to take out DarkSteel (or at least to prevent it damaging your city) would be to dig a big hole. This could actually be used as an interesting setting for a roleplay adventure. Note, I am basing the following on your statement that:

"I could see a city have a few weeks if not more to prepare for an upcoming visit by DarkSteel" as well as the fact that you can predict the course of DarkSteel to some extent (i.e. it roughly goes in a straight line).

Suppose that in a certain year, a report comes in from the distant edges of the kingdom that DarkSteel has once again been sighted in the neighbouring country and appears to be heading this way. After a week or so it becomes clear that he is heading to the kingdom; furthermore, it appears that there is quite a high chance (30-40%) that he will go through the capital. Let's say this is about two or three weeks before he would reach the capital.

The young king is idealistic, and decides that instead of evacuating he will try and defend his glorious city. Maybe he is partly motivated by the fact that a major city in the kingdom was totally ruined by DarkSteel a couple of centuries ago. He makes plan to dig a huge trench, 50m deep, 70m wide and a mile or two long in front of the capital (Note that it only has to have a vertical side on one side - the other side can slope down (making it easier to dig): DarkSteel would then walk down, not be able to get up the 50m high barrier and then probably turn 90 degrees, walk along the trench and then comes out, but now heading in a direction that won't make him intersect the city.

The king calls in the army (5000-10000 people at least) and presses in to service much of the labour of the city (probably not too hard if he pays them - one sort of labour is as good as any other). Remember, he's idealistic so he's not going to stint at spending money: he pays to get in expert diggers and anything else he needs. He should be able to get a force of 30 000 men or so working on it or more, which would easily be enough to dig the trench (even assuming zero magical aid). It also presumes the city isn't built on hard bed-rock.

Anyway, give your PCs a role in organising this: huge numbers of people, coordinating labour, dealing with the inevitable panicking people (as some will) and dealing with the problems of people abandoning houses (which might cause crime) as you suggested. Go to Comment
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Iain's comment on 2004-05-16 05:52 PM
Assuming the hole is roughly triangular, each man would need to dig about 350 cubic feet a day, or about 35 cubic feet an hour. 35 cubic feet is just over 1 cubic metre. I'm pretty sure I could dig that out in an hour just with a spade. Remember too, they might have a) more than two weeks (Moonhunter said several), b)more than 30 000 men (Rome had a population in the hundreds of thousands) and c) magical aid. Of course, it will be a mammoth undertaking (and one that may not work), but I think it is definitely possible, just difficult. Go to Comment
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valadaar's comment on 2014-06-02 07:47 AM
PoisonAlchemists comment is on the mark. Sure we have a walking disaster (Real world has Tornadoes, which can be just as destructive or more) - what _was_ it built to fight?

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PoisonAlchemist's comment on 2013-03-24 11:26 PM
It's a non-sleeping version of the terrasque with a bit better flavor. I'm surprised he doesn't have more explanation other than "He was built eons ago and is looking for his last foe". What foe could be so colossal and so powerful that such a monster would need to be constructed? Surely that entity would have left a mark or legend. Go to Comment
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Agar's comment on 2004-05-11 01:51 PM
Since the Hearthstones have to be enchanted to a spot, you would only be able to find them at waystations and other well travelled camping spots. The flaming discus is out, but the interrogation device could still work, just more vlad the impaler style.

Imagine a holy city with intricatly carved stone courtyards. Invading army comes to strike down the 'heratics'. Army enters courtyard, a single word is spoken, army falls. Cooool. 8)

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CaptainPenguin's comment on 2004-05-11 01:33 PM
When I think of the way they are carved, I think of something like a more Elf-centric Aztec calendar, complete with face in the center.
Other than that, Shadow has said everything I could think of (Heating, weapon, communication), so....

5/5! Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2004-05-13 12:23 AM
You people have determine much more "creative" uses for this basically domestic item than I would of expected.

The only odd use I had thought of was a tiny HearthStone to keep in pockets as handwarmers and very small ones for campfires. But I was trying to think of items the Elves themselves would need.

We now see the difference between Elves, who only see these as domestic things (like we see toasters), and Humans (and associated species) who see items and a number of possible uses. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2006-01-29 12:37 PM
I just posted this item up in a thread on www.rpg.net. Someone was complaining on how these pointy ear ecological freaks could have civilization by being tree-huggers.


This and the related pieces make the Elven socio-ecology make sense. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2006-01-29 12:57 PM
Updated: updated for a spelling error Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2006-03-14 04:58 PM
Don't forget to check out the two linked items CityCairns and HomeTrees . They are all with the free-text Keystones of Elventi Society Go to Comment
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Shadoweagle's comment on 2004-05-11 02:00 AM
Mmm. Such a thing would be a worthwhile expense in any party, as it saves time and trouble looking for firewood.

If someone wrenched it from the owners hands in attempts to steal it, the victim would merely have to utter the word, and the thief would find their very skin of their hands sizzling and popping.

Deviating from basic campfire uses:
A weapon. Ever wondered what a flaming discus would do to somebody? If the edges of these stones were sharpened it would make a particuarly dangerous weapon. The heat and the weight aiding with the penetration - if thrown hard enough it may be capable of penetrating completely through someones stomach.

As the more evil part of me takes over, I think of a torturing device. Tie someone up and place a hearthstone on their stomach. If they dont tell you what you want to know, activate the stone for a second or two. repeat until information is gathered. Then if you dont want them to talk, just keep the hearthstone active afterwards, melting through their midsection. Gruesome, yes, but effective.

Morse code - activate and deactivate periodically, say at the middle of night, and someone may see the pattern of light flickerings.

Adding surprise in battle. A harmless piece of stone that someone is holding, but suddenly, FLASH! Bright light, temporarily blinding the foes. Also good for confusing and frightening wolves, bears and the like.

A perfectly menial item with absolutely extraordinary potential :) 5/5. Go to Comment
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