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MoonHunter's comment on 2005-12-07 11:16 AM
The Four Forces are primal aspects of the Universe. They are symbolic, rather than manifest.

The Yod: The active principle. First Force

The He: The passive principle. Receptive Vessel

The Vau: The Child, that principle which is brought forth by the active and the passive.

These three form the first family. Everything can be broken down into triad families.

The 2nd He: This which rises above. The passage from one world/state to the next. That which rises up becomes the Yod of the next cycle. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2005-12-07 11:16 AM
Godai - Japanese Elements

The five elements are, in ascending order of power, Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, and Void

Chi (Earth) represents the hard, solid objects of the world. The most basic example of Chi is in a stone. Stones are highly resistant to movement or change, as is anything heavily influenced by Chi. In people, the bones, muscles and tissues are represented by Chi. Emotionally, Chi is predominantly associated with stubbornness, stability, physicality, and gravity. In the mind, it is confidence; and emotionally it is a desire to have things remain as they are; a resistance to change. When under the influence of this chi mode or 'mood,' we are aware of our own physicality and sureness of action.

(Note: This is a separate concept from the energy-force, pronounced in Chinese as qi or ch'i and in Japanese as ki, )

Sui (water) represents the fluid, flowing, formless things in the world. Outside of the obvious example of rivers and the like, plants are also categorized under Sui, as they adapt to their environment, growing and changing according to the direction of the sun and the changing seasons. Blood and other bodily fluids are represented by Sui, as are mental or emotional tendencies towards adaptation and change. Sui can be associated with emotion, defensiveness, adaptability, flexibility, suppleness, and magnetism.

Hi (fire) represents the energetic, forceful, moving things in the world. Animals, particularly predators, capable of movement and full of forceful energy, are primary examples of Ka objects. Bodily, Ka represents our metabolism and body heat, and in the mental and emotional realms, it represents drive and passion. Ka can be associated with motivation, desire, intention, and an outgoing spirit.

Fu (Wind) represents those things that, even moreso than Sui objects, grow, expand, and enjoy freedom of movement. Aside from air, smoke, and the like, Fû can in some ways be best represented by the human mind. As we grow physically, we learn and expand mentally as well, in terms of our knowledge, our experiences, and our personalities. Fu represents breathing, and the internal processes associated with respiration. Mentally and emotionally, it represents an 'open-minded' attitude and carefree feeling. It can be associated with will, elusiveness, evasiveness, benevolence, compassion, wisdom, and electricity.

Ku (Void) represents those things beyond our everyday experience, particularly those things composed of pure energy. Atoms, their component particles, and atomic forces fall under this category, as do people in a higher state of consciousness. Bodily, Ku represents spirit, thought, and creative energy. It represents our ability to think and to communicate, as well as our creativity. It can also be associated with power, creativity, spontaneity, inventiveness, nuclear reactions.

Ku is of particular importance as the highest of the elements. In martial arts, particularly in fictional tales where the fighting discipline is blended with magic or the occult, one often invokes the power of the Void to connect to the quintessential creative energy of the world. A warrior properly attuned to the Void can sense his surrounding and act without thinking, and without using his physical senses. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2005-12-07 11:17 AM
8 Cosmic Atoms or bagua

The bagua "eight trigrams" is a fundamental philosophical concept in ancient China. It is an octagonal diagram with eight trigrams on each side. The concept of bagua is applied not only to Chinese Taoist thought and the I Ching, but is also used in other domains of Chinese culture, such as fengshui, martial arts , navigation, etc. If it works for an ancient and philophiocal culture it might work for you.

Qian (Heaven): FORCE
Northwest, grey/ white/ black, Benefactors

Dui (Marsh): OPEN
West, white, metal, family, autumn

south, red, fire, fame, summer

Zhen (Thunder): SHAKE
East , green, wood, ancestors, spring

Xun (Wind): GROUND
Southeast, purple, wood, wealth

Kan (Water):GORGE
North, Black, Water, Winter, Craft/ Career

Gen (Mountain): BOUND
Northeast, dark blue, - , earth, self cultivation

Kun (Earth) FIELD
Southwest, pink/ white, earth, marriage

Picture these images going around in a circle, with south and north, being south and north. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2005-12-07 11:17 AM
Chinese Elemental Flow

In traditional Chinese philosophy, natural phenomena can be classified into the Five Elements: wood, fire, earth, metal, and water. These elements were used for describing interactions and relationships between phenomena.

The doctrine of five phases describes both a generating cycle and an overcoming or restraining cycle of interactions between the phases. In the generating cycle, wood generates fire; fire generates earth; earth generates metal; metal generates water; water generates wood. In the overcoming cycle, wood overcomes earth; earth overcomes water; water overcomes fire; fire overcomes metal; metal overcomes wood.

north, black, tortise, cold, winter, knowledge

east, green or blue, Dragon, rain, spring, benevolence

south, red, Pheonix, heat, summer, propriety

center, yellow, caldron, wind, between seasons, good will

west, white, tiger, clear, autumn, righteousness

Please keep in mind that this is a cycle, produced by the friction between ying and yang cosmic forces.

Water represents the spirit of life.. all things alive come from water.

They grow, from water, made manifest as wood. Wood represents life.

Life eventually brings fire, which is the passion/ emotion/ flow of life.

Wood burns with fire, eventually producing ash... ash makes the solid world -earth.

Earth solidifies farther making metal. From Earth comes metal. Metal gives us the ability to make tools and control the world around us. Metal is the equivalent of the Western Culture Air, the realm of spirit and mind. It gives shape/ focus to the world.

Eventually metal melts and become water.. the cycle begins again.

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MoonHunter's comment on 2005-12-07 11:19 AM
Well.... This is a topic I am somewhat..... familiar with. It is like asking CP about H.P. Lovecraft, or Strolen about Code, or Monument about D&D 2e. I have a couple more, but they are pretty esoteric.... even for me. Most societies have an elemental system, based upon opposing or cycling cosmic forces that use material symbolism as a symbolic aid. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2005-12-07 11:22 AM
Most European (and African) systems use a cross mixture of active and passive crossed with positive (birth/ growth/ increase) and negative (death/ reduction). The actual elements change, but the matrix stays basically the same. They are often bound together by spirit/ or ether, where the matrix is embedded. Of course, most of these systems have the same root system from Pre-Egyptian times.

Asian and pacific systems are mostly based on the cyclic flow of cosmic forces. The Chinese Bagua seems the dominant root system, but the Japanese system seems to be a cross between the Euro/ Western Model and the Bagua.

(It should be noted that The Five western Elements and the cycle of elements are complimentry. )

Native American (North) seem to be similar to the Japanese... a cross between the Western and Eastern model.. opposing forces that balance each other in a cyclic dance.

Native American (South) seem to have more in common with the I Ching or 64 paths of cosmic forces than any other elemental system. However our understanding is fairly incomplete, as the Spanish made sure to destroy most religious/ magical texts. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2005-12-07 11:28 AM
The Halan

Journey (Pure Orange)
"The journey of a 1000 ri (each one 1000 paces) starts with one single step." Keys: Motion, Path/ Road, Destination, Arrow (triangle) or Doorway/Archway.
Life is a journey, through time, matter, and spirit. The first and foremost element. It seems to be rushing ahead of all others, but in actuality it is pushing the others along.

Patience (Pure Green)
"The perfect moment makes all the difference"
Keys: Passive, Time, Change (not paradoxical, things change all the time, usually in a rythm), Sphere or Coil (time as viewed from the future towards the past - time goes in a circle and travels forward creating a spring).

Peace (Orange and Green Mottle)
"Like the lake, serene and smooth."
Keys: Calm, Balance, Dance, Water of the Lake or Rain, Peace's Glyph.
Without peace there would be no patience on the journey.

Strength (Orange and Purple Mottle)
"The Will to act will forge the vessel."
Keys: Will, Body, Crafts, Fire of the Forge, Strength's Glyph
Without strength to act upon wisdom there would be no journey.

Wisdom (Pure Purple)
"Life is the journey, not the destination."
Keys: Active, Searching, Solids (Wisdom comes from looking at the solid world and seeing beyond it), Square (for the four sided life Truthfulness, Austerity, Mercy, and Cleanliness -physical/ mental/ spiritual)

And all things come from Spirit (Yellow, Red, and Blue)
Key: The unseen, unfelt, unknown except by inference. Puzzles and interlocking rings. The prime mover, yet the greatest resistance to motion. Water without a vessel. A ball floating in air. Arrow without a bow.

Learning (Purple and Green Mottle)
This is not an elemental force. It is a mental construct, anchoring the elemental forces to the material world... the touchstone between spirit and matter/ body... the mind.

Inspired by a new martial arts T-shirt Line. I added the concepts and quotes. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2007-03-26 01:16 AM
I realized I had not voted. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2007-03-26 01:10 AM
Has not been bumped in a while. Someone must have something to add. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2008-05-08 11:48 PM
Here are some elemental sets that are cluttering my note pad. This seemed like a good place to put them. Feel free to grab and expand them.

Light, Sound, Substance, Spirit, and Time.

Mist, Steel, Thunder, Dust and Frost.

Earth, Wood, Water, Ice, Air, Lightning, Fire, Metal -> back again to Earth.

Air, Water, Fire, Earth (as in soil, the generative element), Crystal (which includes rock and metal), Aether (light and lightning), Ice, Shadow, Decay (either Death or Transformation) and the Void (a hard-to-pin-down element that involves Time or Destiny). Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2010-11-09 01:44 PM

The five elements are Limen, Loam, Caelum, Caementum and Wood.

Limen is the elemental threshold, the thinnest veneer between us and the spiritual realm. This is the way of liquid, the mutable yet tangible. Water, blood , acid , to fire  are passive to active Limen manifestations. Emotions are in the realm of Limen, but border of Loam.

Loam is the element of the earth that could grow out of.  This would be soil, shifting from silt, sand, to soft rock, to even salt.  Fertility and potential are in the realm of Loam.

Caelum/Skyis the element of nothing that exists, the intangibles. This manifests as air, mist, and even fire.  It is also the realm of thought. 

Caementum/Of Earth is the element of deeper earth. This is the stoic and tangible, the anchors of the world. Clay to Metals.  It is the realm of making.

Animus. The elemental profile consists of living things. While it is mostly associated in its raw state with plants, animus with some additional elements will make animals (and spirits). 

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MoonHunter's comment on 2011-02-09 06:12 PM

This is a metaphysical setting element. There are eight elements. 


The Court of Light (Expansion, Creation, and Order) the three associated courts

Sun (fire and drive),

Sky (always in motion, always thinking),

Green (Plant/nature/soul - living)


The Court of Darkness (Contraction, Destruction, and the Random) the three associated courts

The Blue (Ocean and emotion),

The Keep (stone/metal),

Winter (frost, cold, stasis)


The associate courts are mostly their prime, but have segments of them in the opposition. 


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Nobody's comment on 2005-12-07 11:25 AM
One of the most useful ways to think of new elements is to look at the kind of spells that have been thought up.

Building on the western four earth, fire, wind, and water, there are actually a lot of ideas that can be played around with.

Life and Death are elements that are rarely mentioned, however they are fundimentally powerful.

Spirit for another. Spirit can take many forms. It could be considered similar to life and death, but it could also be the principal foundation for mind control and compulsion, and any other mind effecting spells. Also it might be similar in nature to magic, and be the fundimental power involved with antimagic fields and magic enhancing powers. Spirit could also be the thread that allows for sight into the future.

Luck. Luck usually gets overlooked as an element because people do not see how it can be used in a spell or ability, however, even if that were true, it would still be a fundimental element, primary in all things.

Chaos and Order. These could be considered the elemental equivalents to Luck, but they don't have to be. Order could be used for divination (giving one the ability to see the natural order of the world before it happens) or any other form of increased mental function, allowing one's mind to organize itself more efficiently. Chaos is used a lot in literature, allowing the improbable to happen.

Time is a good one. Everybody can see how time is a fundamental element of the world, as well as its usefullness in practical situations.

If you wanted to, you could say that the five senses were the elements of the world. After all, what exists without the fundimental elements of sight, sound, touch, taste, and smell.
Air has sound and touch, but not smell, taste or sight.
Fire has sight, and touch, but not smell, taste or sound.

These are just a few suggestions off of the top of my head, hence the reason that they are not organized or written out very well. I suggest that you play around with them to see what works for you.

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Scrasamax's comment on 2006-12-05 02:49 AM
The Six Arcane Elements
These are the strange forces that govern the flow of magic, psionics and some say even the fundamental stuff that everything is created of. Most scoff at such notions, but the powers of the rare mages who learn to harness the purified forces of even a single arcane element are enough to leave disbelievers scoffing quietly.

Montez is the arcane force of positive seperation, the force that drives birds into the sky and the clouds to tower above even the mountains. It is not to be confused with ideals such as lift and bouyancy, but these are actually different expressions of Montez.

Eloiv is the seperating force, the thing that forms the boundaries of things, from the often indistinct boundary between water and soil, to the more concrete boundary between flesh and air. Eloiv can be reinforced to make brittle things strong, or to rupture things completely.

Etran is the force of inexplicability, which some foolishly call the power of chaos, though while it is certainly the master of chaos, Etran is also the force that drives emotion, intellectual thought and aspects of the soul and other things that defy any attempt at explanation or prediction.

The arcane force of attraction, this is the force that bonds fire to things that burn and the air to the surface of the water. More mundane aspects of Armech include magnetism, gravity, and inertia.

Ane is the 'good' force, but to call it good, attractive, positive or the like is to only name single facets of its potential. Ane is the force of attraction between base and noble, the difinitor between have and have not, and the name of the boundary between light and shadow, shadow and darkness. There is no corresponding anti-force to Ane, it is, or it is defined by it's absence.

The arcane force of self, Tevat is self definition, mass, ego, and denial. Of the arcane forces Tevat is considered to be the easist to comprehend as many consider creation to be primarily composed of Tevat and given order, purpose, and objective definition by the other arcane forces. Go to Comment
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Scrasamax's comment on 2006-12-05 02:50 AM
ayup, a bump is needed! Go to Comment
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knightsceam's comment on 2005-12-07 11:08 AM
Tetra the combination of the four elements of earth, wind, water and fire

Ice (bit of a ff fan) frezzing cold to the touch, incase in ice

energy or electricity massive balls of pure energy

crystal element of fragile but unbecoming strength Go to Comment
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Wogden's comment on 2005-12-07 11:06 AM
Not to be all "look at me" or anything, but I did some research regarding Tarot for Mister Smeed's little card tricks, and sort of came up with my own suits... They correspond to the elements, but they also have a sort of basic idea or concept that they stand for.

Sabres - Air - Freedom and nobility
Towers - Earth - Vigilance and solidity
Masks - Water - Deception and confuson
Torches - Fire - Violence and destruction
Stars - Light - Wisdom and knowledge
Vaults - Darkness - Seclusion and imprisonment

Not exactly new and original elements, but a world based on suits instead of elements could be interesting... Go to Comment
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Wogden's comment on 2005-12-07 11:26 AM
You could go for a very human approach and base elements on feelings:

Mentally - Joy, happiness, delight, contentment.
Physically - Lust, sensation.

Mentally - Sorrow, anxiety, sadness.
Physically - Agony, hurt.

Mentally - Anger, hate, revulsion.
Physically - Violence, pressure.

Mentally - Calmness, inner peace.
Physically - Steadiness, relaxation. Go to Comment
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valadaar's comment on 2006-12-04 08:21 PM
This good ole scroll needs a bump! Go to Comment
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