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Managing [high-]level world demographics for D20
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Strolen's comment on 2006-05-17 07:42 PM
Don't give up all hope. But if you take a careful look at the site you will see almost no numbers, stats, or algorithms of any sort. Those submissions that do have them are usually railed with, not negative, but certainly not positive comments.

I am certain that there are plenty of places that would love this stuff, it is simply that this site was designed around ideas, not hard numbers or level progressions and such.

Found the article a little interesting, just not horribly inspiring for anything.

(And having D20 in the title didn't help anything as we are VERY, protectively game NONspecific. Go to Comment
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manfred's comment on 2006-05-17 03:43 AM
Only voted Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2006-05-17 05:26 PM
A vaguely useful article with limited application on the site. A nice amount of effort, but nothing truly inspiring. Go to Comment
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Scrasamax's comment on 2006-05-17 10:43 AM
Only voted Go to Comment
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Cheka Man's comment on 2006-05-17 12:40 PM
A seed of usefullness, you've put work into it...but it's boring.It's like one of my old stories of the distant past. Go to Comment
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Murometz's comment on 2006-05-16 10:49 PM
I have to be honest...Other than respecting the obvious thought you put into the article, this might be one of the most boring submissions I have ever read.

Here's an easier system. Make up whatever demographic you feel like you need off the top of your head when necessary. Any GM who simply knows his or her world, can use some common sense when it comes to figuring out how many wizards are in yonder village and what level they are.

Dont go by me...I'm sure there are people here who will love the math, charts, and figures, but for me...eeek! Go to Comment
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Murometz's comment on 2006-05-17 12:32 AM
Only voted Go to Comment
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B9anders's comment on 2006-05-17 08:07 AM
To be honest, I was never a big fan of demographics and largely ignored them for a long time. Certainly they will never be allowed to obstruct a storyline in my campaign. If I need a high level character in a tiny village, I'll place one there.

The"Medieval demographics made easy" article linked to above, however changed that, as I found that dablling with the numbers opened up a multitude of considerations I hadn't paid attention to before.

My "four maxims for world bulding" article (http://www.strolen.com/content.php?node=2606) stresses among others, making connections in relation to aspects of it.

While the numbers in themselves are not neccesarily useful, it does lead to some interesting considerations for a setting: How many people actually receive training to a degree they qualify as one what you'd call the adventurer classes (personally, I think 'adventurer' is a very arbitrary concept. If anyone describes themselves as such in my game, people will perceive them as dilettantes).

A martial society will probably have more trained warriors than your average kingdom. Personally I think when you look at ancient Sparta, you have a society that is such a thourough concept, it would fit right into a fantasy setting as a 'fantastic' but still very neat society. Everyone's a trained warrior? ok... It also impacts considerations about magic guilds. It gives you an estimate of how many wizards there might be active in a given kingdom. Sufficient for large guilds? if not and you have one, it is worth considering what special conditions there are that makes magic so accesible to the common people.

Hvaing such a framework also gives you some idea of just what it means for characters (or NPCs) to progress to the higher levels. Can a character really progress to the 18th level and still be generally unknown? No. On the contrary, they likely become veritable celebrities, at least in the areas they have frequented the most, rulers should be offering them lands and titles as the common people will want such distinguished people to govern them far more than your average nobleman. They will be feeling the pressure of taking up responsibility in society; wizards will receive petitions to take up seats as head of mage guilds, fighters to accept leading positions in the armies and so forth.

In the same way, NPCs should follow the same pattern. Contrast it to Forgotten Realms, where you can have random 20+ level wizards inhabiting cities and towns that don't really impact much more than their local community. Such people should be known far and wide in countries far from where they live. Fame and high standing is price to pay for power and should be a difficult bullet to dodge.

Of course all of this is fairly superfluous if you don't demonstrate them in your game. Personally, I make sure that my players know where they came from and if they have any responsibilities concerning family, etc. A wizard coming from common ranks will, in a setting where they are not that common, probably be brought up with a sense of expentancy and responsibility. the one the family have vested their hopes and finances in. Go to Comment
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valadaar's comment on 2009-06-08 12:27 PM
If this could somehow be reworked to remove the very D20 oriented nature of the submisison, I think this could be useful.

Back to in-work you go.. Go to Comment
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Strolen's comment on 2006-05-06 08:39 PM
Great. Short and sweet with plenty of info to give any creator an extra kick!

"...create elements that actively demonstrate these things." That line stood out the most to me and is very true, and often neglected.

A little polish and more examples would make this an easy 5 for me. Go to Comment
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manfred's comment on 2009-04-06 05:53 PM
This article has been featured on Roleplayingtips.com, Issue 441. Congratulations to the author!

See it here. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2006-05-06 10:11 AM
Four very strong points that are useful in world building. Worth repeating many times.

Add to the 1A or 101 course work. Go to Comment
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MoonHunter's comment on 2006-05-07 11:17 AM
See, now the rest of you know how easy it is to do an article. Now go out and post one. Go to Comment
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Cheka Man's comment on 2006-05-06 07:35 PM
I want to use this to make my own new worlds. Go to Comment
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2006-05-08 09:05 AM
The problem is, only a few people will actually read them and comment on them which is a shame and hence nearly not worth it. Look at al lthe articles we have placed up since v2.0, comment/ read ratio vs a normal submisison of another kind if not even. Go to Comment
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2006-05-08 09:06 AM
This is a really good and to the point way of looking at a difficult concept that a lot of GM's go through. As Muro said, this would best help the new GM's. Go to Comment
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Mourngrymn's comment on 2006-05-08 09:07 AM
My recent treatise eh? It wasn't that long was it? Go to Comment
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Murometz's comment on 2006-05-06 11:24 AM
What Moon said!

But like Mourngrymns recent treatise on High Level Campaigning, this entry will mostly be read by veteran world-builders, not aspiring ones, which is a shame. Go to Comment
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B9anders's comment on 2009-05-08 06:43 AM
Very neat. Nice to get some recognition. :) Go to Comment
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valadaar's comment on 2009-04-06 11:37 AM
A good one I have somehow overlooked. Nice job B9anders and thank you 77IM for bumping this, as well as visiting Strolens! Go to Comment
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