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Gnomish Riveter
Items  (Tools)   (Magical)
MoonHunter's comment on 2006-01-16 11:12 PM
I understand the magical principals and the construction. That is simple and it makes sense. I have no problem blending material technologies and thaumaturgical technologies, if both exist.

The question I have, and echoing Scras here, is why would anyone need to make one of these. Is someone making sky scrapers or steam plate or large iron ships? Without a serious need (and an attempt to fill it), why would anyone without 20th century views build a riveter? I mean there are lots of technologies which are possible centuries before they are developed (The Fax Machine could of been done in the 1870s, not the 1970s, HangGliders in the 13th, and the list is endless), but nobody had the need and could combine the disparaging technology together.

Besides, simply enchanting the hammer with a "weld" spell would make it vastly more efficient. Everywhere it strikes it merges the two pieces together. One enchantment, no need for the mechanics. Go to Comment
Gnomish Riveter
Items  (Tools)   (Magical)
Scrasamax's comment on 2006-01-16 04:10 PM
I don't like it.

1. It is a magical version of a rivet gun, made by gnomes. See rant about gnomes and wacky devices.

2. Reading about spell-like powers, dials and knobs, and extra-dimensional spaces made me feel like I was reading an entry out of the Dungeon Masters Guide from D&D.

3. I don't like the creation of technological items with spells. Rivet guns were designed for the building of iron ships and building construction, something not very prevalent in the standard fantasy milieu.

4. It is too easy to go from this to a piece of chain wrapped around a guide bar enchanted with 'keen edge' and 'animate object' spell to create a magical chainsaw. Go to Comment
Gnomish Riveter
Items  (Tools)   (Magical)
Cheka Man's comment on 2006-01-16 08:15 AM
Very useful and no doubt with nasty effects as a weapon too. Go to Comment
Gnomish Riveter
Items  (Tools)   (Magical)
Pariah's comment on 2006-01-17 09:33 PM
Meh, not much to say really. I understand where Scras is coming from, and I throughly dislike gnomes/20th Century ideas being 'magiced' and put into 13th century settings, but it is a solid item and I'll rate it as such. Go to Comment
Gnomish Riveter
Items  (Tools)   (Magical)
valadaar's comment on 2006-10-26 07:43 PM
Now, for why someone would need/make something like this, I have one word:

Chainmail.

A smaller version of this device would be a godsend, as the best chainmail armor had riveted links. I've make chainmail the lazy way, by squishing links together with pliers, and that was tedious enough. I can't imagine the amount of work required to make a riveted suit with medieval technology... Go to Comment
Ascention Ceramony of the Burgan Tribe
Plots  (Coincidence)   (Encounter)
Agar's comment on 2005-11-30 11:53 AM
I would like to link this with the berries, but I could use help on how to do that... Still getting used to the shiney new layout. Go to Comment
Ascention Ceramony of the Burgan Tribe
Plots  (Coincidence)   (Encounter)
Iain's comment on 2005-12-01 10:39 AM
This is a good idea. At first I just didn't get the whole exploding thing but then I red the p'nash berry posts (incidentally I have now cross-linked the three posts).

Still some questions though: how do you get chosen to be one of the exploding chanters? If they choose the best, this could end up accidentally wiping out the tribe they are trying to save. Go to Comment
Ascention Ceramony of the Burgan Tribe
Plots  (Coincidence)   (Encounter)
Mourngrymn's comment on 2005-12-01 10:05 AM
Why are they exploding? Is it the paste that they cover themself in? Perhaps they need both the white and red substance ot ignite the fireball, the flame of heaven, the divine kiss so to speak.

But why do they kill each other?

You said, "If they are somehow undisturbed, the ceramony continues as normal, leading the two at the focus to join and anihalate themselves."

So how can the appease the gods if they kill their entire culture by exploding in a ceremony?

Don't get me wrong, the example and description of the ceremony os great, enough for me to give it a 3.5/5 but it is lacking more depth and explanation as to why they do this and the outcome. Go to Comment
Ascention Ceramony of the Burgan Tribe
Plots  (Coincidence)   (Encounter)
Zylithan's comment on 2005-12-01 11:00 AM
Your description of the ceremony is good, and this adds nicely to the p'nash berry posts. It would be nice to know more about the ceremony - why do they do it? Does anything happen as a result?

I imagine players watcing this, being like, huh... and then leaving. There is no obvious reason for them to get involved. Go to Comment
Ascention Ceramony of the Burgan Tribe
Plots  (Coincidence)   (Encounter)
Murometz's comment on 2006-04-10 08:44 PM
I'm a sucker for rituals and ceremonies! Go to Comment
White P'nash Berries
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
Agar's comment on 2005-11-30 11:55 AM
I would like to link the two berries with the Ascention of the Burgan Tribe plot, but I need some help with the shiney new layout ... Go to Comment
White P'nash Berries
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
Zylithan's comment on 2005-11-30 11:57 AM
Same comment for this and the other berries (I'd have made them one post I think).

I like the concept, and I like the application we discussed in chat where you had a group of "harmless" monsters become very deadly by using this.

In my campaigns, monsters would not often readily suicide, although some would I reckon. Fanatics... But most animals tend to have a decent sense of self preservation... so I would see this being used more as a last-ditch defense than an attack. Also, in a world with gunpowder or flash powder type item, this possibility already exists, but just isn't used by DMs much. BUT, I like your creative use of berries to do this... it gives it a different feel, and I like that.

I wonder how genuinely one must feel "euphoric" about being about the explode... maybe they drug themselves up to help. Go to Comment
White P'nash Berries
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
valadaar's comment on 2007-11-28 02:13 PM
Okay, I'd echo Zylithan, but with more force. There is so little different between the white and red that a second post really is not warranted. Go to Comment
Red P'nash Berries
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
manfred's comment on 2005-12-01 07:42 AM
Easy: On the bottom of the page is a "Suggest a submission" field. Type there the name or node number of the submission you want to link to. So "Ascention Ceramony of the Burgan Tribe" or simply 1844. Click Suggest. Done. Go to Comment
Red P'nash Berries
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
Agar's comment on 2005-11-30 11:56 AM
I would like to link the two berries with the Ascention of the Burgan tribe plot, but I need some help with the shiney new layout. Go to Comment
Red P'nash Berries
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
Agar's comment on 2005-11-30 12:06 PM
A creature covered in paste does not experience any change in mental state. Drinking the berries and being covered in there paste is two seperate ways to use the berry.

Frenzied as in highly excitable. Four year old with a double expresso and a fist full of lollipops.

Activated paste is only active while exposed to the frenzied mental state. If removed, it is only paste again. If the person losses thier mental state, it is only paste.

Roughly equal amounts is ideal. A drop of one paste on another will only cause a drop of the other paste to react. If the person can maintain thier mental state, they can keep the rest of the paste active. Go to Comment
Red P'nash Berries
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
CrimsonShadow's comment on 2005-11-30 11:51 AM
I think this is an interesting idea that has potential. However, I have some questions:

-What is the mental state required for the creature? How do they maintain that state if the berry changes their mental state?
-What exactly do you mean by “frenzied” mental state? Do they become crazy, violent, or just highly excitable?
-Once activated, is it possible to remove the paste and store it in some other fashion?
-Is an equal amount of each paste required to create the explosion? Or will one drop of activated red paste cause an entire humanoid covered with white paste to explode?

Just some thoughts… Go to Comment
Red P'nash Berries
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
Zylithan's comment on 2005-11-30 11:58 AM
Same comment for this and the other berries (I'd have made them one post I think).

I like the concept, and I like the application we discussed in chat where you had a group of "harmless" monsters become very deadly by using this.

In my campaigns, monsters would not often readily suicide, although some would I reckon. Fanatics... But most animals tend to have a decent sense of self preservation... so I would see this being used more as a last-ditch defense than an attack. Also, in a world with gunpowder or flash powder type item, this possibility already exists, but just isn't used by DMs much. BUT, I like your creative use of berries to do this... it gives it a different feel, and I like that.

I wonder how genuinely one must feel "euphoric" about being about the explode... maybe they drug themselves up to help. Go to Comment
Red P'nash Berries
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
valadaar's comment on 2007-11-28 02:10 PM
Hmm, this one at least feels as if a middle portion has been gutted out from it.

Perhaps transplanting some of the answers provided in the comments might help this post out a bit. Go to Comment
Devil's Thorns
Lifeforms  (Flora)   (Forest/ Jungle)
manfred's comment on 2005-11-17 11:00 AM
Remind me to wear full armor when tramping in fantasy forests.

Another bit of useful knowledge for ranger-types, and a plant even druids would consider destroying... solid idea. Go to Comment
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