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Never-Burning Torch
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-25 07:50 PM
Echoing all the things said above, esp. Slart (this is definitely cute).
I have a stub that I'm working into a sub that kinda echoes this (though it's not a torch). Will link it here once I finish. Go to Comment
The Damning Sack
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-25 07:55 PM
again, echoing all that have been said above Go to Comment
Old Stone Face
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-24 06:43 PM
A quaint creature/location.

Typo alert- 2nd paragraph, last line- drift once again "to" sleep Go to Comment
The Island and Firth of Crueloar
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Moonlake's comment on 2015-01-12 11:07 PM
I'm not personally into 'ghettos' but I have quite a fondness for how this is presented through a info for travellers format. In the "what to eat" section, I nearly thought that the Warhall provides all kinds of dwarfish, orcish, Beerjamian, Edo and Rekushu meat as opposed to cuisine.

I also think all of MH's questions have been addressed in the update. Good work with the update. Go to Comment
The Island and Firth of Crueloar
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Moonlake's comment on 2015-01-13 06:40 PM
Really? Well, then I guess I just have different interpretation on this sub than MH. Personally, I think Q. 0 and 6 are small quibbles or maybe I'm just not geared towards these practical aspects that border on minutia. Q. 2-4, I would say that with slavery being outlawed in all surrounding regions, the slavers have a vested interest to ensure that this island stays at status quo else who knows whether slavery would still be allowed with a change of authority at this place? Some of the other logic contained in them also does not speak true to me and that's all I want to say regarding this aspect. Q.5 is game-speak and I'm a non-gamer so it doesn't concern me. Go to Comment
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-11 01:56 AM
Updated: There might be some loose ends with respect to how the Ice Maidens are discovered and the concept of Tuner Mage maybe that could be expanded upon but I personally think that they go better into standalone subs. But if someone has a differing opinion, I'm also happy to hear about it and might rethink things. Other comments are also welcome, as always. Go to Comment
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-11 07:28 PM
Put in a stub on the Tuner Mages but I don't promise to finish it any time soon. Would have offered to collab on it except I've got major wanderlust it seems with respect to submissions, might frustrate my collab partner no end b/c of it. But if someone is still interested, let me know. Go to Comment
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-15 07:04 PM
What a coincidence that you raised this point here as I've got another stub on a different type of silk (Flamesilk by title) that acts as a fire extinguisher. Go to Comment
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Moonlake's comment on 2011-02-08 06:50 PM
Update: fixed broken links Go to Comment
General Posting Advice
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-15 11:26 PM
Updated: fixed up some minor bits to improve clarity. Also added one more advice on the organsiation of ideas but still waiting for advice on Scrolls and Codices Go to Comment
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-17 07:16 PM
Hi, Moonhunter, thanks for the comment. (I was in fact waiting for it since you are a guru on Articles on this site)

Overall, I find your comment very helpful. On the issue raised on content vs prose, I actually think it will be a valuable addition to this particular Scroll (oops, I stuffed up. I meant to post this as a Scroll, but just realised this is just a normal sub) as opposed to out of scope.

However, just want to raise 2 pts:
1. While I think it would be a good idea to start another scroll on the topic and attach it here, I'm not sure I'm the best person to do this. I was actually hoping someone more experienced like yourself will step in. I in fact envisioned this to be a collaborative work b/w all Stronelites who want to share their insights on writing and posting. I of course understand that not everyone's interested but it was a hope nevertheless.
2. Given what I envisioned, I wanted each component scroll within this overall Scroll to be self-contained. This way, everyone can contribute a short scroll within this big Scroll if they wanted to. I mention this not b/c I'm defensive on what you say abt the missing content which I fully acknowledge but just to clear up the rationale.

Overall, I have to say a big Thank You for the comment and the tribute given to the comment itself is a reflectin of my appreciation. Go to Comment
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-17 07:18 PM
Updated: Fixed up the format. This is now a scroll, so new scrolls welcome! Go to Comment
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-28 03:36 AM

Balancing Content and Presentation 

Based on the comment by Moonhunter, I'm starting this scroll to talk about this issue but again this is my particular take on it. Others with different opinions on this issue are welcome to add Balancing Content and Presentation Scroll #2, 3 and so on. Scrolls on different aspects are also most welcome if the author thinks it relevant to posting in general. This scroll is meant to stand alone from the previous one so there might be some discrepancies with respect to the definition of terms used. In particular, in the previous scroll, I tend to define things loosely whereas here, all terms are defined more strictly. So firstly, let me define the 2 terms and some of the bordering terms associated with them and finally the term Submission. Any bolded term means that I'm using the term strictly according to the definition that I've provided.

Content, Idea and Concept

Content, as I think of it in general, is the meat of a piece of writing. This might encompass a few different definitions. For the sake of this scroll, though, let¡¦s restrict its definition to the following: content is basically the sections of a submission , that describes to the readers all the key ideas of the piece in its most raw form that stands separate from grammar, expressions and such like. Under this definition, content is basically the written form or physical manifestation of the key ideas or the underlying concept that form a submission . So then what is an idea and what is a concept? Well, I consider something to be an idea if it can be summarized within 10 words. More specifically, I would say the 5 Ws (What, Who, When, Where and Why) and 1 H (How) is each an idea, in addition to Origin, Major Events (describing some sorts of changes) and Currently if you want to add a timeline component to your submission . I consider there to be missing components if the content of a particular submission is not based on at least 3-4 of such ideas. As to concept, I see it as the 3 or more such ideas that flow together coherently and logically.

Presentation, Execution and Prose

Presentation is the way you provide your content to your readers, the wrapping paper that goes over it. This includes aspects like spelling and grammar, clarity, elegance of expressions etc. In a similar vein, execution is the way you formulate and articulate your ideas into a coherent and quality submission . Now, as to prose or writing style, I am thinking of it not in terms of (insert your own name)¡¦s prose, but rather in terms of the prose for argumentative essays, descriptive essays, informative essays etc.


Submission, as I define it here, is the actual post that you post up to the Citadel when you click on the Add Submission button. A submission , I contend, is basically Content plus Presentation. Given these definitions, I want to offer the key aspects of Content and Presentation that should be considered when posting before cutting to the meat of this scroll:


- Solidity: How sound is the underlying concept on which your submission is based on? Can anyone poke holes in it?

- Completeness: How self contained your submission is or whether there are any aspects that felt left out in the submission? Any parts that people read and think this begs the question of why?

- Coherence: Do the central ideas of the submission fit with each other or do they appear to be forcefully lumped together?

- Creativity: originality of the ideas on which the content is centered on. Of course this is a rather subjective thing so more generally, I would say: "Are there interesting twists to your submission?"


- Spelling and Grammar: Some typos are unavoidable but really the spell check is there to be used!

- Clarity: Are you getting through what you want to say? Does your way of expression hinder this? Also, are there bits of background information that needs to be explained for readers to understand the underlying concept of your submission?

- Elegance: Can you find an alternative way of expression that enhances the feel of your submission? How are you going to draw your readers into the atmosphere of your submission?


Now on balancing between Content and Presentation, my personal formula is 50% Content + 50% Presentation for all categories except Articles or maybe Societies and Systems (for Societies and Systems, it really depends) where I suggest a mix of 70% Content+30% Presentation. Under my definitions, I don't think there is much room for changing this broad formula but maybe 5% shifting is sort of acceptable. As to how to allocate weight to the different aspects within Content and Presentation, which I think is the more practical and difficult side of this issue, I offer some tips below but again this is my particular take on it:

- Spelling and Grammar is 10% of the Submission

- Clarity is at least 10% of the Submission

- Make sure all aspects of Content and Presentation right first before you start work on Elegance (unless you are a natural born with this aspect)

- The order in which I present the different aspects are pretty much my suggested order on which aspects to tackle first in writing so yes, I belong to the Contents school and I think one first have to have a solid concept and then you see whether there are holes in it or you can expand it out etc. until you come to the final stage of seeing whether you can enhance the atmosphere of your submission

- An easy way of enhancing the elegance of your submission is to insert italic text or blockquotes in appropriate places

- A trick of finding such appropriate places is to view each section of your submission as a separate thing after your final write-up and then ask yourself whether you need more atmosphere for that particular section

- For me, I see there being 2 types of submission: a solid submission where the selling point is Solidity, Completeness, Coherence and Clarity (plus Spelling and Grammar of course) and a artistic submission where the selling point is Creativity and Elegance. Of course, they don't have to be 2 different types of submissions and I¡¦m not saying in a solid submission, one should forget all about elegance and creativity or that for an artistic piece, the underlying concept doesn't have to make sense at all. And of course, someone can write a piece that is both solid and artistic. In general, though, the point I want to bring across is that you might like to choose from these 2 selling points and work on the relevant aspects as your focus when writing a particular submission.

- For those aiming for a solid submission, I propose the following weighting of aspects: 30% to Solidity, 15% to Completeness, Coherence and Clarity respectively, 10% to Spelling and Grammar and Creativity respectively 5% to Elegance.

- For those aiming for an artistic submission, I propose the following weighting of aspects: 25% to Solidity, 10% to Completeness, Coherence, Clarity and Spelling and Grammar respectively, 20% to and Creativity respectively 15% to Elegance.

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Moonlake's comment on 2012-06-27 07:57 PM
Yep, I think this comment captures the motivation of writing this piece very well. Go to Comment
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Moonlake's comment on 2013-06-19 08:35 PM
To be honest, I myself do not believe that one could really precisely assign percentages to different aspects to a sub. It's just that when I'm writing up my personal view on it, I find it hard not to delve into figures when talking abt balancing different aspects (just realised that I omitted to title my additional scroll, will be rectifying this in a minute). I did make a note at the start of the scroll that this is my own personal view and others are welcome to add additional scrolls on the topic so that we get different coverage that complements each other but no one has provided more input so yeah, things are as you see them now. Go to Comment
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Moonlake's comment on 2015-01-12 12:14 AM
Thanks for visiting this neglected sub of mine. I think the main reason that perspective is not covered here is mainly due to the fact that I was originally aiming to cover the broadest aspects in this sub. If you browsed thru the comments, the scroll added later was purely at request of Moon Hunter which I thought was a good idea. So in that sense, it's sort of deliberate, I guess. At one point, this was supposed to be Citadel effort. But sadly no one has posted any other scroll after me. Go to Comment
Brothels and Intrigues
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-06 01:00 AM
Updated: need help with plot hook #2 and 3 Go to Comment
Brothels and Intrigues
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-08 09:39 PM
Thanks for the comment. Will rethink format and orgnisation of ideas. Go to Comment
Brothels and Intrigues
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-10 09:01 PM
Updated: Changed the format as adviced. Go to Comment
Brothels and Intrigues
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Moonlake's comment on 2009-03-10 10:43 PM
Thanks for pointing out the grammar mistakes. Fixed now. Actually, if you find the "once a second time" hard to comprehend, you should read my 1st draft where I typed "once again" on impulse, meaning "once (break) again" but obviously it doesn't work out. Lucky I spotted that particular bit myself and changed it else everyone will be scratching their heads about the inconsistencies b/w the summary and the content of the sub. But I too can see that the "once a second time" is just a mouthful LoL. Go to Comment
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